Ford Lays Off 700 from EV Production - NOT Strike Related

[ShrimpHappens]

You do bring up a valid point. That's not jackassery

To be clear, it isn't just the directly employed that suffer should the industry disappear. We've seen entire towns across this country go completely belly up when "the plant shut down." Not everyone worked there but they relied on its economic impact for their own day to day.

We already have seen the effects of de-industrialization across the middle of the country and what happens when jobs disappear. If anyone in DC is going to move on a policy to eliminate these industries, they have to have a contingency plan for all the people that will be affected.

Yeah I agree 100%. I did an internship at a coal mine in rural Mississippi, and absolutely the adjoining town would be crushed (if not devastated) if the mine were to shut down. I'm not saying that if the coal industry were to vanish it would be painless. I'm saying that coal is not near as big a employer as some think it is.

For what it's worth, there are entities out there, using federal dollars, who are trying to make headway in what we're talking about.

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[BourbonRunner]

Yeah I agree 100%. I did an internship at a coal mine in rural Mississippi, and absolutely the adjoining town would be crushed (if not devastated) if the mine were to shut down.

For what it's worth, there are entities out there, using federal dollars, who are trying to make headway in what we're talking about.

Yes, I'm aware there are some out there. And they are doing good work, too.

It's going to take a lot more because we've had decades of political wrangling that has created a lot of damage that can't be fixed overnight.

 

[Rusty PW]

I live in south western Pa. Almost the heart of coal country. There is a lot of businesses tied into coal. Railroads, barges on the rivers, machine shops, fab shops, supplies, coke ovens, steel mills, power plants, and a bunch of others. Taking away coal will destroy a whole region. When they shut down most of the steel mills around Pittsburgh. It took decades for the area to bounce back.

My dad was a mine foreman for 38 years. My brother was in the mines for a couple of years.

 

[BourbonRunner]

I live in south western Pa. Almost the heart of coal country. There is a lot of businesses tied into coal. Railroads, barges on the rivers, machine shops, fab shops, supplies, coke ovens, steel mills, power plants, and a bunch of others. Taking away coal will destroy a whole region. When they shut down most of the steel mills around Pittsburgh. It took decades for the area to bounce back.

My dad was a mine foreman for 38 years. My brother was in the mines for a couple of years.

Many if not most of Baltimore's blue collar neighborhoods have never really recovered from the losses of Bethlehem Steel, Western Electric, and the support industries relevant. And that was in the 90s.

 

[johnchabin]

It seems that the 43K is mining employees only?
Then you have the affiliated employees on the upstream and the downstream sides.
Machinery production and maintenance, transportation, power plant workers ...
I'm fine with shutting down every coal mine out there, IF there's a cost similar alternative, but 200 acres of solar panels to fuel a city block or so isn't a real solution.

Nuclear.

 

[Rusty PW]

Many if not most of Baltimore's blue collar neighborhoods have never really recovered from the losses of Bethlehem Steel, Western Electric, and the support industries relevant. And that was in the 90s.

Coming out of high school in the mid 70's. You had a choice of going to the steel mills or the coal mines. Both paid really well. Come the early 80's. Massive lay offs in both. You could tell when someone got laid off. First they would sell off the boat then the 2nd vehicles. Then the guns and fishing gear. Next was things from inside the house. Then the house went up for sale. Then the divorce. Seen this happen so many times with my friends.

 

[Rusty PW]

Nuclear.

You have the NIMBY's to deal with.

NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard. Have seen this group KILL so many energy projects. Both fossil, and green. Plus transmission.

 

[johnchabin]

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