Ford Laying off 70% of EV Lightning employees [LOCKED DUE TO FIGHTING & POLITICS]

[Tom C]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/ent...n&cvid=5ed0e9d34346404591a28f857b5db55f&ei=13

I thought it interesting that Ford is losing $36,000 on every Lightning they build.

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[Escape.idiocracy]

VW-
https://electrek.co/2023/11/16/volkswagens-ev-woes-worsen-over-slowing-demand/

It’s almost as if these manufacturers can’t pull it off without government support….
Throw back the 80’s with a Margaret Thatcher quote: “The problem with socialism, eventually you run out of other people’s money.” <- I find this fitting given if you cannot produce a product without government offsets… are you really producing? Or just complying


Musk in the mean time is still making moves to increase affordability through production refinement. Looked at a new Model Y for a commuter @$43k
(180 miles a day…) was priced around $70 just a couple years back.

 

[Mr._Bill]

EV's really only make sense for the consumer in an area without power delivery issues, who make shorter trips and have a place to install a charger. For everyone else, they are a losing proposition. I have one I bought in 2015 (lease return) that has worked out well for me. The longer I have had the JT, the less it gets driven.

 

[STACHES]

Everyone that went nuts hiring during the pandemic boom is just getting rid of the excess now that the wave is over. Same thing with tech companies. Nearly all of these companies are still at or near record profits, they are just getting rid of no longer needed employees because layoffs boost stock prices.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

All of the above, and, well, you know, that other little issue, the one we’re all trying to avoid…the Lightning is kind of stupid. And that whole part about the consumer never asking for expensive and inconvenient EVs.

 

[ecidiego]

All of the above, and, well, you know, that other little issue, the one we’re all trying to avoid…the Lightning is kind of stupid. And that whole part about the consumer never asking for expensive and inconvenient EVs.

Mine charges free. Paid off solar that has then paid for itself. Not inconvenient for millions. They're viable and valuable in many scenarios.

Would I be better off if my wife spent $500/mo in gasoline ferrying our 3 kids around instead of charging for literally free? I definitely asked for EVs. Better than funding oil shieks.

Going to the gas station every week is what's inconvient for a commuter.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

Mine charges free. Paid off solar that has then paid for itself. Not inconvenient for millions. They're viable and valuable in many scenarios.

Would I be better off if my wife spent $500/mo in gasoline ferrying our 3 kids around instead of charging for literally free?

Going to the gas station every week is what's inconvient for a commuter.

So, I think you are nailing it- they make sense for certain driving habits. I read his comment as the lighting was stupid… which I totally agree with (ev pickup…. Though I suppose the argument could be used for the gladiator too- it’s kind of a crappy “pickup”…)

Curious to hear your thoughts on Californias move to require bi-directional charge ports in the next couple years. My thoughts are this will likely be an attempt to improve grid stability….
And as much as I would like to say it’s BS… You, and your solar already know the conditions of use and the control you have over your inverter….. (unless you have dedicated isolated circuits that are not tied to the grid in any way…)

 

[ecidiego]

The bill was defeated....can't see it happening soon.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

Mine charges free. Paid off solar that has then paid for itself. Not inconvenient for millions. They're viable and valuable in many scenarios.

Would I be better off if my wife spent $500/mo in gasoline ferrying our 3 kids around instead of charging for literally free?

Ahh, yes. The joys of virtue signaling. Simple payback on solar’s real first cost in the US (absent gov welfare), runs 14-18 years. So yes, unless you bought solar commando style, a lot of years ago (and we don’t include module, roof, maintenance, insurance, inverter replacement or finance costs) then yes, it’d have been much cheaper to pay for fuel.

Is it fair to count the invisible hand of government pickpocketing the taxpayer on your behalf against the economics of solar and EVs? We’ll have to let everyone decide that for themselves. If you can’t see it from your house, is it still theft, or is it being smart?

 

[ecidiego]

Ahh, yes. The joys of virtue signaling. Simple payback on solar’s real first cost in the US (absent gov welfare), runs 14-18 years. So yes, unless you bought solar commando style, a lot of years ago (and we don’t include module, roof, maintenance, insurance, inverter replacement or finance costs) then yes, it’d have been much cheaper to pay for fuel.

Is it fair to count the invisible hand of government pickpocketing the taxpayer on your behalf against the economics of solar and EVs? We’ll have to let everyone decide that for themselves. If you can’t see it from your house, is it still theft, or is it being smart?

roflmao at calling it virtue signaling. Know what's pickpocketing the taxpayer? Wanna talk incentives? 40 years of war in the middle east, 10s of thousands of dead and maimed Americans, and tens of trillions of debt for CHEAP GAS. Sit down. Every time we buy gas we are robbing the taxpayer.

I should go back to paying 600/mo electricity and 500/mo gas so you don't blow a head gasket .

lmfao.

 

[coalcracker]

The article forgot to mention difficulties when towing with an F-150 Lightining — terrible range, and then you have to stop to charge at chargers that are not optimized for a vehicle towing a trailer so the trailer has to be disconnected and put somewhere else before charging.

 

[ecidiego]

Can't stop laughing at gasoline users bitching about EV incentives.....lol gas is the most taxpayer subsidized thing on Planet Earth.

rofl

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

Triggered.

Shamefully false equivalency. No one was advocating for any of the government actions you described. Much the opposite. Let’s let free people and free markets pick winners and losers.

Personally, I probably agree with most of what you do. I’m just quite convinced governments and the unelected fourth estate do not have the answers we’re looking for.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Can't stop laughing at gasoline users bitching about EV incentives.....lol gas is the most taxpayer subsidized thing on Planet Earth.

rofl

No, it isn't. They get normal tax write offs like any other business. There are no subsidies.

How big a solar array do you have?

Unless it is huge, you aren't recharging your EV any time soon as recharge times using pure solar is measured in days, not hours. It's simple math.

Add to that the incredible amount of toxic waste that battery production and eventual disposal entail, plus the use of slave and child labor in the mining of the cobalt and other rare earth elements used in their creation and EV's are one of the worst things for the environment on the planet.

And, as mentioned, the use of slave and child labor is a crime against humanity.

 

[ecidiego]

No, it isn't. They get normal tax write offs like any other business. There are no subsidies.

How big a solar array do you have?

Unless it is huge, you aren't recharging your EV any time soon as recharge times using pure solar is measured in days, not hours. It's simple math.

Add to that the incredible amount of toxic waste that battery production and eventual disposal entail, plus the use of slave and child labor in the mining of the cobalt and other rare earth elements used in their creation and EV's are one of the worst things for the environment on the planet.

And, as mentioned, the use of slave and child labor is a crime against humanity.

Bruh. It's call Net Metering. Simple math. Here I am in January so far. 33 panels, 14.4kW. Solar is rad.

The slave labor toxic waste nonsense is nonsense and I won't even address that fake news.

As for subsidies, you're flat out misinformed.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-budget-target-us-fossil-fuel-subsidies-2023-03-09/

HOW MUCH ARE THEY WORTH?
Calculating the cost of U.S. subsidies for the fossil fuel industry is complex because the incentives stretch across the U.S. tax code, but estimates range from $10 to $50 billion per year.

It ain't ' basic tax writeoffs ' dude.


It sucks EVs became a political issue. There's nothing political about it. They're needed, and they're here to stay.


muh slave labor. lol

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