Ford Lays Off 700 from EV Production - NOT Strike Related

[ecidiego]

The people in the cities have NO IDEA how much they rely on fossil fuels for their existence.

That isn't true at all though....

This thread made me check Lariat Pro prices... man that missing NACS connector is as bad as a Jeep without 4WD.... I'd jump if they had one. Rad truck just needs to focus on utility not 'luxury'. Platinum pricing....people buy a Rivian.

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[BourbonRunner]

Edit: hmm....what I was trying to quote just up and disappeared..

Either he deleted them or a mod deleted them for him. Which is why I posted 55 minutes above. Anyway...

I wish people, those that lived in cities, and those that live in rural areas, would stop and think for a moment about the US as a whole before saying do this, don't do that.

That's just it-nobody sees past the end of their own nose, and social media has made it far, far worse.

Referring to the middle of America a "flyover country" isn't doing anyone any good, either. Life exists between the coasts.

The people in the cities have NO IDEA how much they rely on fossil fuels for their existence.
Their food, electricity, sanitation, infrastructure, and seriously just about everything else that keeps them alive and comfy day to day simply would not be there if it were not for fossil fuels.

Around here, solar farms are popping up all over the place, but my whole county doesn't come close to consuming the electricity that a half a block in the concrete canyons do in a day's time.
It's a sham and a scam to even begin to think that it's any kind of a serious answer.

It (renewable) helps but it isn't the final answer. Nuclear OTOH is but that's not favored by the green lobby for a multitude of reasons, most of which are unfounded given the advances the tech has **safely** made.

In another nuked thread I pointed out that around 13-14% of Maryland's total power was renewable and of that around 75% is imported from out of state. So realistically, we're generating about 4-5% domestically. The rest is nuclear (40% roughly, but we only have one domestic plant), and gas (another 40%) with coal pulling in the remaining 14%. So for the foreseeable future since Calvert Cliffs NP isn't getting replaced any time in my lifetime, we're stuck with Dino juice powering our Teslas.

I'd really love to see a true free market with zero subsidies for anything, across the board. Not just energy, but everything.
Free markets drove innovation in the industrial revolution, and the only way to win was to be the best.
Now the only way to win is to game the system the best, and hope they don't figure you out before you pocket enough of public's cash to set yourself up for life.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

 

[Lunentucker]

 

[Rusty PW]

Either he deleted them or a mod deleted them for him. Which is why I posted 55 minutes above. Anyway...




That's just it-nobody sees past the end of their own nose, and social media has made it far, far worse.

Referring to the middle of America a "flyover country" isn't doing anyone any good, either. Life exists between the coasts.



That's just it- it helps but it isn't the final answer. Nuclear OTOH is but that's not favored by the green lobby for a multitude of reasons, most of which are unfounded given the advances the tech has **safely** made.

In another nuked thread I pointed out that around 13-14% of Maryland's total power was renewable and of that around 75% is imported from out of state. So realistically, we're generating about 4-5% domestically. The rest is nuclear (40% roughly, but we only have one domestic plant), and gas (another 40%) with coal pulling in the remaining 14%. So for the foreseeable future since Calvert Cliffs NP isn't getting replaced any time in my lifetime, we're stuck with Dino juice powering our Teslas.



From your keyboard to God's ears.

Most of Washington DC/ Baltimore electrical power comes from western Pa. I was a senior control room operator at one of the plants. I delt with PJM grid operations daily. We are losing generation faster than what we can replace it with, with green energy. Then you have the NIMBY's to deal with.

 

[Rusty PW]

You are moving the emissions from the tail pipe to smoke stack.

For every pro EV, there is a con EV. Me, I think it's not ready for prime time yet. Still has a lot of work that needs done first.

 

[Lunentucker]

You are moving the emissions from the tail pipe to smoke stack.

For every pro EV, there is a con EV. Me, I think it's not ready for prime time yet. Still has a lot of work that needs done first.

Out of sight and out of mind. That's how shallow modern virtue works.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Most of Washington DC/ Baltimore electrical power comes from western Pa. I was a senior control room operator at one of the plants. I delt with PJM grid operations daily. We are losing generation faster than what we can replace it with, with green energy. Then you have the NIMBY's to deal with.

And a good amount of that power is fueled by the region's finest bitumen, right? The same stuff that rolls on long trains through my home town of Ellicott City, MD daily to the port in Baltimore to be shipped off around the world...

But here's the rub: we can stop burning it, even mining it but there are a million people in this country easily that would suffer. I'm not just talking about the guys mining it or working in the power plants. The guys running the CSX trains and the coaling depots would lose their jobs along with workers from the companies that supply and maintain the equipment on all ends, and the lunch counter that depends on the miners, railroad employees etc. The govt can't just spin these folks into unemployment because of a political ideology masquerading as policy with nothing to help PEOPLE transition into new careers.

That's not anything I'm hearing and frankly it annoys me to no end.

 

[Rusty PW]

And a good amount of that power is fueled by the region's finest bitumen, right? The same stuff that rolls on long trains through my home town of Ellicott City, MD daily to the port in Baltimore to be shipped off around the world...

But here's the rub: we can stop burning it, even mining it but there are a million people in this country easily that would suffer. I'm not just talking about the guys mining it or working in the power plants. The guys running the CSX trains and the coaling depots would lose their jobs along with workers from the companies that supply and maintain the equipment on all ends, and the lunch counter that depends on the miners, railroad employees etc. The govt can't just spin these folks into unemployment because of a political ideology masquerading as policy with nothing to help PEOPLE transition into new careers.

That's not anything I'm hearing and frankly it annoys me to no end.

Yep! Most of the coal is going to China. Where they are building new coal plants every year.

How many businesses are dependent on fossil? Everything you wear is made from a by-product. Most everything in your house too.

 

[NULL POINTER]

Wonder if that Starsux cup will end up as roadside trash when he is done with it?

 

[legacy_etu]

The capri jeans and Starbucks is on point!

 

[ShrimpHappens]

That's not anything I'm hearing and frankly it annoys me to no end.

I'll be the jackass that puts in my countering two cents. What annoys me to no end is that we've been hearing this "but what about the coal miners?!" talk for years, but in the USA, more people work for Arby's (80k) than in the coal industry (43k).

Now I'd certainly be disappointed if Arby's were to completely go away, but I don't think the ideology of preserving the coal industry just for the sake people who work in it really holds up.

 

[Lunentucker]

I'll be the jackass that puts in my countering two cents. What annoys me to no end is that we've been hearing this "but what about the coal miners?!" talk for years, but in the USA, more people work for Arby's (80k) than in the coal industry (43k).

Now I'd certainly be disappointed if Arby's were to completely go away, but I don't think the ideology of preserving the coal industry just for the sake people who work in it really holds up.

I'll give up Arby's and keep electricity.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

I'll give up Arby's and keep electricity.

Well I agree. Arby's can F right off with their prices.

But that's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about the worth of the product of these two (definitely not comparing them head to head). I'm saying that the importance put on the people involved in coal is overblown when considering how many people actually work in coal.

 

[BourbonRunner]

I'll be the jackass that puts in my countering two cents. What annoys me to no end is that we've been hearing this "but what about the coal miners?!" talk for years, but in the USA, more people work for Arby's (80k) than in the coal industry (43k).

Now I'd certainly be disappointed if Arby's were to completely go away, but I don't think the ideology of preserving the coal industry just for the sake people who work in it really holds up.

You do bring up a valid point. That's not jackassery

To be clear, it isn't just the directly employed that suffer should the industry disappear. We've seen entire towns across this country go completely belly up when "the plant shut down." Not everyone worked there but they relied on its economic impact for their own day to day.

We already have seen the effects of de-industrialization across the middle of the country and what happens when jobs disappear. If anyone in DC is going to move on a policy to eliminate these industries, they have to have a contingency plan for all the people that will be affected.

 

[Lunentucker]

It seems that the 43K is mining employees only?
Then you have the affiliated employees on the upstream and the downstream sides.
Machinery production and maintenance, transportation, power plant workers ...
I'm fine with shutting down every coal mine out there, IF there's a cost similar alternative, but 200 acres of solar panels to fuel a city block or so isn't a real solution.

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