GDE is back and making EPA compliant tune!

[WXman]

Do you know if the tune will be CARB legal?

No, it will not. They specifically said that the things CA requires for that are ridiculous and not worth the hassle.

Also, regarding the GDE tune, they'll want the customer to send in the ECU for unlocking and tuning and then they'll mail it back. This is how it worked a decade ago when I had them tune my Jeep KJ CRD also. There's going to likely be a flash tuner for the transmission tune, but not the engine tune at this time. Engine tuning may get added to the flash tool later (which is what I'd strongly prefer).

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[biodiesel]

Do you know if the tune will be CARB legal?

My guess is no, at least not now. CARB doesn't want to give GDE approval. CARB sued GDE back in the day when GDE was selling under the loophole of "off-road tune only". Even though GDE paid at least $30,000 in fines, CARB still has personal issues with GDE even tough his tune is EPA compliant. It's really sad because CARB seems to be playing politics rather than doing what is right with GDE and the consumer.

 

[tampahoosier]

with this tune,can it exempt the egr cause that would be awesome since i dont want any of that nasty soot in my intake and ruining the engine over time and robbing power as well

If the tune is to be legal and EPA compliant (this tune will be) you can't have the EGR shut off. If you want the EGR off check out MR Tuning. Their tune is arguably just as good as the GDE and it has the added benefit of shutting off the EGR. The down side is you have to ship your ECU to Canada so it's an extra day or two turn around. Great company with a solid owner (Chris Munro). If you search for the the group on Facebook you can get a better idea of their work. Website link is below:
https://ecodiesel-owners-canada-performance-parts.square.site/s/shop

 

[biodiesel]

There's going to likely be a flash tuner for the transmission tune, but not the engine tune at this time. Engine tuning may get added to the flash tool later (which is what I'd strongly prefer).

I might wait a year or two to see if the flash tool comes to market. I also would prefer the flash tool.

 

[tampahoosier]

CARB seems to be playing politics rather than doing what is right with GDE and the consumer.

When has CARB or EPA ever done right by any of us!! Hey guys we can do a tune that is better for the environment and better for the conumser! EPA/CARB - No thank you stick with the stock crap, oh and here is a straw for your engine to breathe through. We thought the loss in efficiency would be beneficial. Thanks!

 

[biodiesel]

When has CARB or EPA ever done right by any of us!! Hey guys we can do a tune that is better for the environment and better for the conumser! EPA/CARB - No thank you stick with the stock crap, oh and here is a straw for your engine to breathe through. We thought the loss in efficiency would be beneficial. Thanks!

Agreed 100%. CARB/EPA literally creates a law that results with a shortened engine life, more cost to the tax paying consumer, and makes the engine less efficient. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

[tampahoosier]

There's going to likely be a flash tuner for the transmission tune, but not the engine tune at this time. Engine tuning may get added to the flash tool later (which is what I'd strongly prefer).

MR Tuning is already doing a flash tune for the transmission so I would suspect GDE will do the same. And for those wondering... do I need the transmission tune? No you don't but you REALLY should. You don't see the full benefits without it. Some could argue it's 50% of the puzzle when tuning.

I might wait a year or two to see if the flash tool comes to market. I also would prefer the flash tool.

I'll probably just bite the bullet and buy it now, then suck it up in a year or two if/when there is an unlock is figured out and by that two. I don't do a whole bunch of long driving anymore now that I'm WFH, so I'd rather give my engine every shot at a better longevity now. Plus it's just so much more fun, why wait??

 

[tampahoosier]

Agreed 100%. CARB/EPA literally creates a law that results with a shortened engine life, more cost to the tax paying consumer, and makes the engine less efficient. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

YUP. I'm not saying I don't agree that there could be improvements to the diesel black smoke problems but I really wish they worked with the auto industry more instead of against them. I have read so many times now that I'm sure it's true, the goal is to get auto companies here in the US to just stop producing consumer diesels all together. Hell, Ford announced a little ways back they were stopping the diesel power plant in the F-150. That's sad because that small diesel in that truck was awesome.

 

[biodiesel]

I'll probably just bite the bullet and buy it now, then suck it up in a year or two if/when there is an unlock is figured out and by that two. I don't do a whole bunch of long driving anymore now that I'm WFH, so I'd rather give my engine every shot at a better longevity now. Plus it's just so much more fun, why wait??

My 2015 Ram EcoDiesel (GDE tuned) is my daily driver, so I don't mind waiting. I'm averaging less than 10,000 miles per year on the 2020 Ram EcoDiesel. If the 2020 wasn't under warranty, then I wouldn't mind. My 2015 is still under the AEM warranty, so the flash tool comes in handy. It takes approximately 6 minutes to switch from tuned back to stock.

 

[biodiesel]

YUP. I'm not saying I don't agree that there could be improvements to the diesel black smoke problems but I really wish they worked with the auto industry more instead of against them.

GDE argued that EGR isn't needed with the aftertreatment system, but the EPA feels differently.

 

[MF Comics]

Since the tune is EPA compliant, it cannot disable the ECR function. The tune can, however, clean up the combustion and therefore reduce the amount of soot going into the intake, reduce regens, and extend oil changes intervals. I can't speak for the 3rd gen engine, but on the second gen engine, there's extra fuel being burnt just to quiet the engine. The tune eliminates that feature which saves fuel and adds to the cleaner combustion. You will notice that even though the EGR is intact and functioning, your engine oil stays cleaner much longer.

Are there non-compliant versions for those lucky enough to live where they don't have to do emissions or can DIY?

 

[biodiesel]

Are there non-compliant versions for those lucky enough to live where they don't have to do emissions or can DIY?

Yes, there are non-compliant tunes by other venders. GDE was put through the wringer, so he now only sells EPA complaint tunes. As mentioned above, MR Tuning is a really good tuning source and he's somewhat protected selling from Canada.

 

[WXman]

The reason I trust GDE more is because he came from a background working for the OEs so he knows his stuff, he's in Michigan so if I really needed to I can drive there, and he tests all his tunes thoroughly in the wild. In fact, this week they're going to the Rocky mountains to do final altitude testing on their tunes. GDE won't release tuning that isn't better than factory.

 

[biodiesel]

The reason I trust GDE more is because he came from a background working for the OEs so he knows his stuff, he's in Michigan so if I really needed to I can drive there, and he tests all his tunes thoroughly in the wild. In fact, this week they're going to the Rocky mountains to do final altitude testing on their tunes. GDE won't release tuning that isn't better than factory.

I agree with you. GDE takes their time and ensures a high quality safe tune. From a ethical point of view, I personally want to stay legal.

 

[LordEnzo]

GDE tune rewrites completely.
Derringer takes the input, raises a Lil, then outputs.

1. Would these 2 be able to work together? Maybe with the Derringer not maxed out to keep power levels "safe"?

2. As for GDE tuner, couldn't they design the tune to still write with it if u already have the security bypass dongle, like for jscan?

Forgive me if either question was covered. 14 pages alot to read lol

Personally, I would prefer GDE over Banks, tho Banks gaining popularity here. When I trade in for diesel, will probably do Derringer to start since no footprint. Then after xx000 miles, may switch to GDE. But that's all fantasy land for now till I trade up.

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