I should either read more or less !? All of this battery talk made me nervous.

[WetWilly]

So, I went ahead and ordered my Genesis dual battery setup this morning . Maybe I won't dream about dead batteries tonight !

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[Rahkmalla]

genesis dual battery system you're essentially saying goodbye to your warranty on anything electronic/electrical. Personally, I'd rather deal with the BS of a bad secondary battery.

 

[Jefe1018]

Luckily you'll get some warning sings before it just fails and leaves you stranded. Remember that most people on this forum are very vocal and will scream when they have issues (me included) - the overall number of JL and JT owners in the world are not on this forum.

 

[WetWilly]

Luckily you'll get some warning sings before it just fails and leaves you stranded. Remember that most people on this forum are very vocal and will scream when they have issues (me included) - the overall number of JL and JT owners in the world are not on this forum.

Does that include tail lights lol

 

[WetWilly]

genesis dual battery system you're essentially saying goodbye to your warranty on anything electronic/electrical. Personally, I'd rather deal with the BS of a bad secondary battery.

Who did that happen to ?

 

[alpineovernappa]

Read more, but keep in mind that forum discussions are statistical anomalies. The Vast majority of owners are not on the forums, and often only join once they’ve had a problem to seek advice. This is true of pretty much any enthusiast group.

 

[Lunentucker]

genesis dual battery system you're essentially saying goodbye to your warranty on anything electronic/electrical. Personally, I'd rather deal with the BS of a bad secondary battery.

Has this actually been proven to be true or is it speculation?

 

[montechie]

Read more, but keep in mind that forum discussions are statistical anomalies. The Vast majority of owners are not on the forums, and often only join once they’ve had a problem to seek advice. This is true of pretty much any enthusiast group.

Totally, no one is going to post: "I drove my JT today and nothing happened", or "Picked up groceries, didn't catch fire". Which is my JT experience. It's also easy to miss seeing all the sweet trip journals here and on other forums (ExpeditionPortal) and ignore that no one broke down or had issues while traveling across the Simpson Desert|Wheeled Cliffhanger in Moab|Drove X BDT route.

Part of my job is researching human behavior (UX Researcher) and we are biased towards overweighting the .05% rare events over the 99.95% of nothing happening. We just aren't capable of only giving the rare event .05% importance in our brains. At best we'll treat rarity like 10, 20, 30% weighting in our decision making.

 

[WetWilly]

Totally, no one is going to post: "I drove my JT today and nothing happened", or "Picked up groceries, didn't catch fire". Which is my JT experience. It's also easy to miss seeing all the sweet trip journals here and on other forums (ExpeditionPortal) and ignore that no one broke down or had issues while traveling across the Simpson Desert|Wheeled Cliffhanger in Moab|Drove X BDT route.

Part of my job is researching human behavior (UX Researcher) and we are biased towards overweighting the .05% rare events over the 99.95% of nothing happening. We just aren't capable of only giving the rare event .05% importance in our brains. At best we'll treat rarity like 10, 20, 30% weighting in our decision making.

I just research how many steps it takes to walk out of the boonies when a battery takes a dump. And I try to prevent it =) Thanks

 

[Rahkmalla]

Has this actually been proven to be true or is it speculation?

Pure speculation, based on the number of dealer's i've worked with and for. Imagine any electrical part goes bad "we have no way of certifying the aftermarket battery system maintains proper voltage" warranty claim rejected.

 

[Lunentucker]

Pure speculation, based on the number of dealer's i've worked with and for. Imagine any electrical part goes bad "we have no way of certifying the aftermarket battery system maintains proper voltage" warranty claim rejected.

I hear you, but according to the law the burden of proof is on the dealer / manufacturer / warranty provider. They must prove that the modification or aftermarket part(s) caused the failure.

 

[montechie]

I just research how many steps it takes to walk out of the boonies when a battery takes a dump. And I try to prevent it =) Thanks

Haha, statistically significant foot pain, a good measurement! ?

 

[Rahkmalla]

I hear you, but according to the law the burden of proof is on the dealer. They must prove that the modification or aftermarket part(s) caused the failure.

You'll find the actual written legislation very vague on that point. What most people interpret as "must prove" could easily be interpreted as "demonstrated cause or contributory cause of failure".

Also, proof is not to the standard of 100% known. There is no way to 100% prove your 40" tires caused your stock axle to twist... but it is likely. That's the same standard you'll face with a dual battery system and a melted wiring harness. Uncertified parts connected to items that have broken. It is likely to reason that one issue caused the other. Much lower standard to bear than the "proof" people say is required.

 

[WetWilly]

You'll find the actual written legislation very vague on that point. What most people interpret as "must prove" could easily be interpreted as "demonstrated cause or contributory cause of failure".

Also, proof is not to the standard of 100% known. There is no way to 100% prove your 40" tires caused your stock axle to twist... but it is likely. That's the same standard you'll face with a dual battery system and a melted wiring harness. Uncertified parts connected to items that have broken. It is likely to reason that one issue caused the other. Much lower standard to bear than the "proof" people say is required.

So unless you keep it 100 % as it came from the factory, the warranty can be denied . Warranty denied over lift kits, warranty denied over larger tires, if you install an aftermarket boom box and have an electrical problem in the turn signal "Denied". If I have it painted and rust pops through corrosion warranty denied. That is a big can of worms, I guess.

 

[Rahkmalla]

So unless you keep it 100 % as it came from the factory, the warranty can be denied . Warranty denied over lift kits, warranty denied over larger tires, if you install an aftermarket boom box and have an electrical problem in the turn signal "Denied". If I have it painted and rust pops through corrosion warranty denied. That is a big can of worms, I guess.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying failures in factory parts in areas affected by modified parts are subject to potential warranty denials. 40" tires with bent axles will be denied. 40" tires with a non-functioning infotainment suite will be fixed. 40" tires with a fucked up differentials? that's gonna be a fight that you may or may not win.

However, when you start getting into electrical, that's when it becomes a can of worms. Changing out the entire battery system is a gamble.

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