Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[ShadowsPapa]

it’s inevitable

Like it's never happened with a gas vehicle?

Why would you say inevitable when it's shown (read that as PROVEN) that EVs are LESS likely to burst info flames.

You pick on rare incidents, and it wasn't even laid out the cause of the fire, and suddenly they'll all burst into flames.

I guess that Camaros and Mustangs and F150s need to be banned, too, as I've seen them frying along I80 and I35 here.

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[Jakeyou]

20 years from now instead of a big pile of tires burning out of control it will be batteries.

 

[Max-t]

Since they only come in automatic it seems like a non starter for me. I’m sure it’s rare but the idea of not being able to shift due to one of the Jeeps many computers getting cranky bothers me.
My buddy in 4xe rubi complains of his transmission getting very hot all the time when off roading and horrible engine noise when under power on hwy.

 

[Mister Lamb]

Like it's never happened with a gas vehicle?

Why would you say inevitable when it's shown (read that as PROVEN) that EVs are LESS likely to burst info flames.

You pick on rare incidents, and it wasn't even laid out the cause of the fire, and suddenly they'll all burst into flames.

I guess that Camaros and Mustangs and F150s need to be banned, too, as I've seen them frying along I80 and I35 here.

A massive cargo ship in the Netherlands practically sunk like 4 days ago due to an EV-started fire. Besides the fact that it did spontaneously combust, the major problem is not them sparking, but putting them out. It takes 300x more water to put out an EV fire vs. a traditional gasser.

 

[Mister Lamb]

I know this may offend some, but it's disheartening how any talk EV at all induces the same tired rhetoric from those not interested in it, regardless of the actual topic. Almost like a child crying because someone else is enjoying their ice cream.

The "same tired rhetoric" occurs for perfectly good reason. Society is being forced by an inept government to compromise their travel for "the sake of the enviornment" with no advancements to the infrastructure in place. It's a imminent disaster.

Do alternatives to EVs currently exist? Sure, but those alternatives are openly being phased out.

Outside of being forced to buy into a shoddy infrastructure, EVs present dystopian-level concerns that don't currently exist. Ford patented the ability for their EVs to lock owners out of their car and self-drive to the nearest impound over missed payments. And just imagine what a corrupt government can get away with...

EVs in and of themselves are not the problem. It's the various forces surrounding them that make the technology the very last thing anyone should want to touch. And it's impossible to ignore, so get used to people (deservingly) not being thrilled when an EV thread pops up.

Unless of course you want to start limiting certain opinions ?

 

[Mr._Bill]

A massive cargo ship in the Netherlands practically sunk like 4 days ago due to an EV-started fire. Besides the fact that it did spontaneously combust, the major problem is not them sparking, but putting them out. It takes 300x more water to put out an EV fire vs. a traditional gasser.

That's not what the news reported. There was a fire, 500 of the 3800 cars were EV's, but the source of the fire has not yet been determined to be an EV.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-...vehicle-battery-north-sea-freemantle-highway/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ship-carrying-mercedes-and-bmw-cars-still-ablaze
https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/surprise-media-is-misreporting-the-source-of-a-dutch-cargo-ship-fire/

 

[RubiNewbCB]

I wonder if the axles can be upgraded to Dana 60s/80s?

 

[BAT]

I've had my big bucket of popcorn out on this thread.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's not what the news reported. There was a fire, 500 of the 3800 cars were EV's, but the source of the fire has not yet been determined to be an EV.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-...vehicle-battery-north-sea-freemantle-highway/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ship-carrying-mercedes-and-bmw-cars-still-ablaze
https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/surprise-media-is-misreporting-the-source-of-a-dutch-cargo-ship-fire/

EXACTLY. It's like so many things - jump on it because it's an EV.. Like the Ford trucks that burned in one case - the source wasn't an EV - but they did burn.

People are bitchen' about 1 bus fire and the media jumps all over it (likely Fox) and yet there's this -

500 compared to 1.

Why the heck aren't people jumping up and down about this one -

A school bus fire every day???
Motorcoach fires only slightly less than daily?
But no one cares until it's an EV then it's all over the news and oh, those EVIL EVs!
Ya don't give a rip about your kids riding school buses where one burns daily, but let one that is battery powered ignite and suddenly - get them all off the road!
Your kids can burn - but man we gotta keep those electric buses off the roads!
Where's the outrage about daily school bus fires?

 

[Mister Lamb]

That's not what the news reported. There was a fire, 500 of the 3800 cars were EV's, but the source of the fire has not yet been determined to be an EV.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-...vehicle-battery-north-sea-freemantle-highway/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ship-carrying-mercedes-and-bmw-cars-still-ablaze
https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/surprise-media-is-misreporting-the-source-of-a-dutch-cargo-ship-fire/

The Dutch coast guard said Thursday that the cause of the fire was unclear and that only about 25 of the vehicles on the ship were EVs, but in the audio of an emergency call released by Dutch broadcaster RTL, someone can be heard saying "the fire started in the battery of an electric car."

 

[redriderjf87]

2. There is no real reason for a manual transmission on modern vehicles at all, except for the fact that I like them and enjoy the engagement of driving them.

There is a reason. Simplicity and fewer failure modes. Doesn't depend on electronics or software to function.

But to believe that this isn’t coming down the pike is just stupidity on your part…

We all know it's coming down the pike - if not by consumer demand, it will be forced on people.

 

[bleda2002]

There is a reason. Simplicity and fewer failure modes. Doesn't depend on electronics or software to function.

I think you quoted that to the wrong person

 

[redriderjf87]

Thanks, not sure how that happens

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The reason for few manual transmissions is indeed consumer lack of demand. No one wants them save for a few die-hards because they like them and no other reason.
If there was any demand, they'd be out there to purchase. The consumer has indeed spoken, in this case.

And for an EV, since you have almost instantaneous max torque just by starting to press the pedal, there's no reason for lower gear ratios.
In the mountains between us and Florida, comparing two Jeeps, one with a gas engine and 8 speed ZF automatic, the other a 4xe with 8 speed ZF automatic, the 4xe hardly ever shifted - in fact, I can hardly remember it shifting at all once on the highway. It didn't need to. Press pedal to keep up speed - more electric assist kicks in and off we went.
Smaller engines need something to keep in the ideal rpm range so there was much ado with the CV transmission, more ratios added to automatics, all to keep in the ideal RPM bands for gas engines. Manuals can't offer the same number of gears without the driver doing nothing but shifting.
It's literally a "guy thing". there's no need for a manual, they aren't better in any real way and so few are even asking for them, there's little reason for the auto makers to spend the money with a variety of transmission offerings.
As far as more or less to go wrong - percentage-wise, I saw more failures in manual transmissions and clutches than I did in automatic transmissions. I wonder how that would calculate out in the last 10 years.
Clutches, release bearings, pilot bearings and bushings, synchronizers, shift mechanisms wearing, jammed between gears or in two at once due to wear (very destructive)
Are there similar issues today?

 

[BourbonRunner]

The reason for few manual transmissions is indeed American consumers are stupid and lazy and don't want to learn how to drive a manual.

The consumer has indeed spoken with their apathy, in this case.

Fixed it for you.

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