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That's a thin list compared to what I've got:


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  • 2011–2014 Volkswagen Routan (Models: S, SE, SEL, SEL Premium)
  • 2011–present Chrysler 300 (Models: 300 Base, 300 S V6, 300 C w/ V6, 300 C Glacier Series w/ V6, 300 C Luxury Series w/ V6)
  • 2012–2018 Jeep Wrangler JK (Models: Sport, Unlimited Sport, Sport "S", Unlimited Sport "S", Freedom Edition, Unlimited Freedom Edition, Altitude Edition, Unlimited Altitude Edition, 70TH Anniversary Edition, Unlimited 70TH Anniversary Edition, Sahara, Hard Rock Edition, Unlimited Sahara, Moab, Unlimited Moab, Rubicon, Unlimited Rubicon, Rubicon 10TH Anniversary, Unlimited Rubicon 10TH Anniversary) Jeep Rubicon Recon 2017
  • 2019-present Jeep Wrangler JL (Models: Sport, Willy's Sport, Sport S, Islander, Willy's, 80th Anniversary (2021), Freedom, Sport Altitude, Unlimited RHD, Sahara, Rubicon, Sahara Altitude, High Altitude
  • 2020-present Jeep Gladiator JT (Models: Sport, Willy's Sport (2021), Sport S, Willy's (2021), Overland, Freedom, 80th Anniversary (2021), Rubicon, Mojave, High Altitude, California Edition (California dealer only), Texas Trail (Texas dealer only)
  • 2011–2015 Ram Cargo Van (Models: C/V Base, C/V Tradesman)
  • 2012–2015 Lancia Voyager (Models: Limited)
  • 2012–2014 Lancia Thema
  • 2012–2015 Fiat Freemont
  • 2012–present Ram 1500 (Models: Tradesman, SLT, HFE)
  • 2013–2021 Ram ProMaster
  • 2014–2017 Chrysler 200 (295-hp, 262-lb ft)
  • 2016–present Chrysler Pacifica (RU) (287-hp, 262-lb ft) (Hybrid: 260-hp combined, 230-lb ft)
  • 2020–present Chrysler Voyager (287-hp, 262-lb ft)
Reread my post. I never referred the Pentastar has a sports car motor. I was referring to motors found in sports cars typically make their peak power in the high rpm range. With this being said, the motor makes better sense in a sporty car than an off road vehicle.
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Manual transmission comes in handy with grades and power. My JL auto was bad on steep curvy back roads with lots of grades but my 6spd in 3rd is like instant power going up anything steep.
In third gear my Max Tow automatic has lots of power too. But then the RPM's are up high.
 

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Reread my post. I never referred the Pentastar has a sports car motor. I was referring to motors found in sports cars typically make their peak power in the high rpm range. With this being said, the motor makes better sense in a sporty car than an off road vehicle.
How much off-roading have you done in the Pentastar-powered Gladiator? Because I've done quite a bit and at no point have I thought it was a problem. Does the diesel do better from a dead-stop? Sure. Does that mean the V6 is a problem? No. You simply manage them differently.
 

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How much off-roading have you done in the Pentastar-powered Gladiator? Because I've done quite a bit and at no point have I thought it was a problem. Does the diesel do better from a dead-stop? Sure. Does that mean the V6 is a problem? No. You simply manage them differently.
Very little in my Gladiator. I did quite a bit in my JLR. The motor is not an issue off road, but a majority of buyers, including those who take their Jeep off road use it primarily on paved roads. This is where the motor is an issue. I let my wife drive my Mojave last week. She hopped out of it and laughed. She said it is one of the slowest vehicles she has ever driven.
 

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Very little in my Gladiator. I did quite a bit in my JLR. The motor is not an issue off road, but a majority of buyers, including those who take their Jeep off road use it primarily on paved roads. This is where the motor is an issue. I let my wife drive my Mojave last week. She hopped out of it and laughed. She said it is one of the slowest vehicles she has ever driven.
Seriously? It's a damned TRUCK. Not a car. It's more snappy than my Silverado or F250 ever were.
Frankly, I find my JT to be zippy. Yes there are faster vehicles with smaller engines but they are normally also lighter vehicles. This thing is heavy. It's 1500 pounds heavier than my car and it's built like a brick or a big sail sticking up in the air.
Don't know what your wife has been driving, but not trucks, I'd bet.
I've had mine up in the 90+ mph range pretty easily and when trying to out-run a fast moving derecho last year I had it passing and zipping around everything in sight.
 

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I guess if you consider any of these to be "sports cars" then it's a sports car engine................. (of course, ignore the minivans, etc.)

These get the Pentastar engine - is the Challenger a sports car? The Charger?

  • Chrysler 300.
  • Chrysler Pacifica.
  • Chrysler Voyager.
  • Dodge Challenger.
  • Dodge Charger.
  • Dodge Durango.
  • Jeep Gladiator.
  • Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Of course its used in just about everything. But I was just trying to convey that it would actually make a great sports car engine because of its willingness to rev. And the fact that it sounds GREAT.

Before we had kids, my wife had a Miata and I had a Subaru STi. Both great, fun cars. But the Miata was so smooth at high RPM that if I wasn't paying attention I'd bounce off the rev limiter. Oops. Strange as it is, the pentastar seems to have that same free-revving feeling.
 

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Seriously? It's a damned TRUCK. Not a car. It's more snappy than my Silverado or F250 ever were.
Frankly, I find my JT to be zippy. Yes there are faster vehicles with smaller engines but they are normally also lighter vehicles. This thing is heavy. It's 1500 pounds heavier than my car and it's built like a brick or a big sail sticking up in the air.
Don't know what your wife has been driving, but not trucks, I'd bet.
I've had mine up in the 90+ mph range pretty easily and when trying to out-run a fast moving derecho last year I had it passing and zipping around everything in sight.
The funny thing is that many young kids never lived in an era of 130 hp V8 sedans or 210 hp Corvettes. The bad old days. Ha. No perspective.
 

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So it's perfectly fine then, right? I'm getting confused here...
I can tell. It’s a fine motor for a sedan. It doesn’t do well carrying two and half tons around.
 

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The funny thing is that many young kids never lived in an era of 130 hp V8 sedans or 210 hp Corvettes. The bad old days. Ha. No perspective.
Ah, the 70s-80s. Detune, lean things out (set idle mixture by how much the RPM drops as you turn the mixture screws in), back timing off, A.I.R. systems, lower compression..............
 

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I can tell. It’s a fine motor for a sedan. It doesn’t do well carrying two and half tons around.
Then neither does any mid-size truck, as the engine specs are very comparable across them and all make their torque numbers in the 4,000's. The Jeep isn't some forgotten stepchild with an underperforming engine, it's right on par with everything else. You bought a mid-size truck with a mid-size engine. One that performs quite well in fact. If you don't understand the market segment, or don't know how this engine is designed to perform, then of course you'll feel it's lacking. That isn't the engine's fault though. As others have said, you need to be willing to let it rev to power to get that power, just like the other gassers.

It will struggle if you don't let it go to the RPM band it needs to be in. Again, not the truck's fault if you do that.

Adding to that, I'd be glad this one comes with a reliable V6 rather than the shorter-lived turbo I4s that you find in other mid-sized trucks. The Ford Ranger engines are all fun and well until they ecoBOOM on you.
 

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In third gear my Max Tow automatic has lots of power too. But then the RPM's are up high.
How high? I can get my rpm to hang near 2800-2900 rpm in 3rd gear going up a hill without crossing that 3k threshold.
 

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How high? I can get my rpm to hang near 2800-2900 rpm in 3rd gear going up a hill without crossing that 3k threshold.
I have 4.10 gears, so the revs will be higher. Also depends on the size of the hill and how much I want to mash the throttle.
 

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Seriously? It's a damned TRUCK. Not a car. It's more snappy than my Silverado or F250 ever were.
Frankly, I find my JT to be zippy. Yes there are faster vehicles with smaller engines but they are normally also lighter vehicles. This thing is heavy. It's 1500 pounds heavier than my car and it's built like a brick or a big sail sticking up in the air.
Don't know what your wife has been driving, but not trucks, I'd bet.
I've had mine up in the 90+ mph range pretty easily and when trying to out-run a fast moving derecho last year I had it passing and zipping around everything in sight.
I hope my truck is not damned.
Our belief systems are created through our lens of experience. If all you ever driven has been older trucks, then I can see your thoughts about the Gladiator being zippy.
My wife would drive my 2019 Ram 5.7 quite often. She daily drives a supercharged Audi Q5 and has always driven all of my cars that I have owned. Like I mentioned before, it’s what you can tolerate. I enjoy the uniqueness of my Mojave so much that I can overlook some of its glaring cons. I have several other options in my stable if I want speed.
 

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I hope my truck is not damned.
Our belief systems are created through our lens of experience. If all you ever driven has been older trucks, then I can see your thoughts about the Gladiator being zippy.
My wife would drive my 2019 Ram 5.7 quite often. She daily drives a supercharged Audi Q5 and has always driven all of my cars that I have owned. Like I mentioned before, it’s what you can tolerate. I enjoy the uniqueness of my Mojave so much that I can overlook some of its glaring cons. I have several other options in my stable if I want speed.
There's the answer - comparing to supercharged vehicle or "cars".
This is a 5,000 pound truck.
You are comparing to a truck with a 5.7? Not standard fare for the most part.

I've driven a lot of vehicles - Mostly Jeeps but because I work on other things for other people, other vehicles as well. Most of the trucks I've driven in the last 10 years have been Chevy trucks, from my 2011 to my neighbors 2014 and now his 2018. (I recently sold a 345 HP 390 equipped Javelin and still own a 377 HP (dyno tested) Javelin so I know some HP, too)
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