Is using auto start stop worth it?

[ShadowsPapa]

I wonder what happened - did his other thread on "I hate ESS because it sucks" get shut down or something? So he keeps trying?

Wow, like this doesn't already exist on many other threads - one he started just a couple of weeks ago, and yet it's like he just hasn't convinced enough people.

And if this one gets shut down, will there be another one - because it feels so good, he just can't stop?

Reminds me of a guy I know in Canada - he spends his days - literally, post after post on fakebook telling people of another country how horrible things are in that other country. Over and over, day after day, he keep trying to convince other people in places he doesn't go to how bad they have it.

If you don't like the damned thing - the solution is simple - DO NOT USE IT - but to keep trying to convince the world it's the end of humanity as they know it does nothing but show a lot of ignorance of things mechanical, technology, and reality.
Just shut it off! DUH!
But constantly spewing the hate, and pulling up these horrible videos - hey, you didn't pull up Scotty Kilmer yet - why not? Isn't he your tech god?

This is much like the other "arguments" going on out in the rest of the world - one side trying really hard to show the other side just how bad they are, or how stupid they are, and in reality- no one is convincing anyone of anything! You aren't going to sway anyone, so why bother?

In this case, you like it or you don't - you understand how things really work, or you buy into the bullshit about wear and more and show just how little you really know about engines and more.

How many more threads?

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[Deleted member 67109]

This was one of the worst ideas ever dreamed up. For any fuel savings that might be gained will be lost by repairs or replacement of starters, batteries, and other wearable parts. People that do a lot of stop and go city driving will be the first to indulge in handing over their wallet to repair shops. If the world is trying to reduce, reuse, recycle, this feature should be on Darwin's list. We have two vehicles with the auto start/stop and get annoyed when we forget to push the button to bypass it.

Yes, I do. I also have many friends that are professional mechanics. I was only providing my opinion. This was my first post but if people are going to insult others it isnt worth the bother.

 

[Josh00333]

Stop start saves fuel, it's easily measurable.

For rolling traffic you just ease off the break let it start and if you don't go over (I forget exactly 5mph? it wont engage again, this is the bumper to bumper rolling setting).

If I commuted I would 100% leave it working.

Of course if I commuted I would not have a brick on 35's with a 3" lift as a commuter either but there is that.

Mines permanently turned off, but I have issues with it and the supercharger tune so what ever.

 

[Josh00333]

Reminds me of a guy I know in Canada - he spends his days - literally, post after post on fakebook telling people of another country how horrible things are in that other country. Over and over, day after day, he keep trying to convince other people in places he doesn't go to how bad they have it.

He doesn't go by Fluffy dose he? I know a guy like that, just had an epic melt down on an other forum, to bad besides being negative he was fun to read his wife stories (they had to be made up, why would she stay with him if not?!?!?!).

 

[HorsesRear]

Yes, I do. I also have many friends that are professional mechanics. I was only providing my opinion. This was my first post but if people are going to insult others it isnt worth the bother.

I felt like that on my first post. I wouldn't let it bother me that much. I belong to several forums and they all have several folks that spend their time waiting for someone to bring up something that has been brought up before and are real quick to point it out to you. You would think that if a subject irritated that much they would just move on to the next thread.

 

[HankB]

There was a time when cars had crank starters and then switched to electric and im sure people were saying “well this sucks”

When I first started college I had a MGA roadster that had a hole in the center of the front bumper, a toothed socket in the center of the crankshaft pullry, and a crank handle in the trunk. It also didn’t have door handles or windows for the doors.

Damn electronic ignition - I want to set MY OWN TIMING! I know better!
Damn those fuel injectors - they don't let me double my CFM and mess with the jets and metering rods. Engineers suck.

Selective memory, because I remember from my MGA days of constantly having a screwdriver, new points, can of WD40 and a matchbook in the car. I also remember changing points in the dark and rain with said screwdriver using the matchbook to set the point gap.

i certainly don’t mind the fact that I haven’t changed points and plugs on the more than half a dozen vehicles we’ve owned in the past 50 years with electroni ignitions.

ps I know it was sarcasm…

 

[Empty Pockets]

I was curious about this long ago when I bought the Jeep. I checked several tanks with the start/stop and several with it off. All general day to day driving. The S/S system would give me better mileage, about 2 to 2 1/2, mpg, assuming that the built-in mileage calculation is correct (I tested this, too, against math and it’s damn close). So I generally use it unless I get caught up in extreme rush hour bumper to bumper traffic.

That said, I do have a 6 speed manual. The S/S only works when the truck is put into neutral and the clutch let out. I have total control over it. If I pull up to an intersection to turn without benefit of a light and can see a quick opening is coming up then the truck stays in gear with the engine running and ready to go. If I pull up to a light and know I need to sit a while, I put it in neutral, let out the clutch and the engine shuts down. As soon as I touch the clutch it is running again. I like it in the manual. It does save gas.
We also have an automatic car. I absolutely hate the S/S with the automatic. It totally kills my confidence in traffic or pulling into a street with traffic coming. I turn it off as soon as the car is started.

 

[Thunderspud]

I felt like that on my first post. I wouldn't let it bother me that much. I belong to several forums and they all have several folks that spend their time waiting for someone to bring up something that has been brought up before and are real quick to point it out to you. You would think that if a subject irritated that much they would just move on to the next thread.

Gotta use that handy "Ignore" button for those folks. You don't even have to leave the thread. Just hover over the user, and it's a single click. You never have to deal with the soap opera comments again.

 

[sharpsicle]

I’m all for healthy discussions on topics, but this ain’t it.

@AmosMoses can you please dial it back on the trolling threads?

 

[Vtur]

I hate it and never use it. Installed Smartstopstart from day 1. Still on my original 4 year old main battery. Once a while i activated it just to check on the system.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

When I first started college I had a MGA roadster that had a hole in the center of the front bumper, a toothed socket in the center of the crankshaft pullry, and a crank handle in the trunk. It also didn’t have door handles or windows for the doors.



Selective memory, because I remember from my MGA days of constantly having a screwdriver, new points, can of WD40 and a matchbook in the car. I also remember changing points in the dark and rain with said screwdriver using the matchbook to set the point gap.

i certainly don’t mind the fact that I haven’t changed points and plugs on the more than half a dozen vehicles we’ve owned in the past 50 years with electroni ignitions.

ps I know it was sarcasm…

I didn't have much trouble with points - but then, I was trained by some of the best in those days. I made sure the distributor was "tight" compared to factory - no shaft wobble in the distributor body. The nice thing was - GM points - an Allen wrench took care of any tweaking. Never had points fail me.
I recall the matchbook thing for sure. A match book cover was just about right, or "close enough" to get dwell in or very close to spec.
When I was in HS, I got to skip the first two automotive classes and went right into the top and final class (I was already working in a shop and running my own repair business by that time). The instructor picked on me a lot - but it was probably more like "grooming" me for his future plans. The final exam for engines, all of the class worked in pairs - each pair had an engine to work with.. Basically, do a major tune-up with all of the tools, feeler gauges, tach/dwell, timing light, everything needed, and he'd scope it and it had to be right in specs.
for me - no partner. No feeler gauges, no timing light, no tach/dwell. He sabotaged the condenser, pulled the plug wires and put them in a pile, pulled the distributor, and cranked the engine over a couple of times. He messed with the idle mixture screws, fast idle cam, idle screws and more.
I had to get it running, tuned, and in specs.
I used a continuity light to set the timing, pretty much did all of the rest by ear - idle mixture, and such. The toughest part was figuring out why no spark - he had drilled a really teeny hole in the condenser and put a thin wire in it, and them put the clamp back on the condenser to hide his work. I did the old charge the condenser trick to do a basic check and found it was shorted.
The only real time I was stranded with one of my cars was when I was out on a date with my first Javelin and one of the sidepipe brackets broke and let the back end of the pipe drag. (we were in the sticks on a rough road, to my defense LOL)
So she drove it back to my place while I used a cord I'd found in the ditch to hold it up with my arm out the window holding that pipe up.

 

[Oldgoatdriver]

This is the first vehicle I’ve had with this feature, I do wonder about the starter wearing out prematurely. I’m not afraid of twisting wrenches, has anyone had to change the starter on the gladiator? I haven’t even looked at it yet.

 

[AmosMoses]

Lol, it's funny seeing some people tell me how obsessed Iam. Between this thread and another, I havnt typed a whole lot compared to some others.

Sharpsicle you are somewhat right. Some of it is in jest and it is entertaining. Still though, the video is showing an opinion from a master mechanic. That's two master mechanics I know of that don't think ESS is great long term

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is the first vehicle I’ve had with this feature, I do wonder about the starter wearing out prematurely. I’m not afraid of twisting wrenches, has anyone had to change the starter on the gladiator? I haven’t even looked at it yet.

Go back and read what's been posted elsewhere. I have posted several times about how these starters aren't even close to the starter used in the 3.6 prior to 2015. Very different animal.
I think I've seen maybe 1 or 2 talk about starters - but then, a starter can fail at 50K without ESS, so that's really nothing either.

Still though, the video is showing an opinion from a master mechanic. That's two master mechanics I know of that don't think ESS is great long term

You are dragging junk from YT out here as your "proof". Oh, gee, TWO of them, it must be a fact!

You should be a politician - they can pull a study out to prove almost anything.

It's really funny, though, to watch non-mechanics chime in as if they know for a fact what's going on. They KNOW it's bad. Sure, right, ok
I come here for the laughs, and shake my head...... no wonder fraud is so rampant.

My challenge from the last thread still goes. So far, no takers.
In fact, no takers from the threads when I posed the challenge years ago.

Funny how people blindly follow people like that It shows where we are at in the world with social mediocre and such.

So, can you explain, if not obsessed - why post yet another thread on it? Wasn't the other one getting enough traffic?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is the first vehicle I’ve had with this feature, I do wonder about the starter wearing out prematurely. I’m not afraid of twisting wrenches, has anyone had to change the starter on the gladiator? I haven’t even looked at it yet.

YOUR first vehicle, but this has been in Jeeps since 2015 for the 2016 model year. Hundreds of thousands of Grand Cherokees, among other vehicles from Stellantis with the 3.6 have this. It's been around. since the 1970s. it's not new - just new to you. It's a technology that's been around longer than most people here have owned Jeeps, especially Jeeps with the ESS/3.6
50 years it's been around. 50 years to get things right with the engine, starters and such. GM, Ford and others have used a system similar to Jeep, others use a single battery, but they've used it for many years.
It's not new by any stretch of the imagination.
Companies have been stopping and starting vehicles at stops for many years. Even those with starters have been around for over a DECADE. it's not a problem - except in the closed minds of some who simply find it annoying, irritating, or choose to hate it.
And if they find it annoying, irritating or have chosen to hate it - that's fine - it's theirs, and their mind, their choice.
But to say "oh, but....but...but....... it will wear things out, it will destroy things" is bullshit, plain and simple.
Hate it - but at least hate it for the reasons that don't rely on spreading crap. Find it annoying -turn it off! Get a tazer or a stop/start eliminator, whatever.

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