Jeep CEO Antonio Filosa appointed to Stellantis committee taking over from ousted CEO Carlos Tavares

[GeneralMaximus]

You do realize that EV's have been around as long as ICE vehicles have?

In fact, EV's were winning the "war" of adoption till about 1910-1915 when improvement of the starting procedure, and simplified maintenance gave the edge to the ICE powered vehicles.

Yes, I am aware of the early 1900’s electric cars. But like you said, it fell out of favor due to a superior emerging technology, and so was not further developed for a hundred years or so. The modern day EVs did not pickup from where those early day experiments let off.

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[WestwallNF104A]

Yes, I am aware of the early 1900’s electric cars. But like you said, it fell out of favor due to a superior emerging technology, and so was not further developed for a hundred years or so. The modern day EVs did not pickup from where those early day experiments let off.

Correct, they picked up from a far more developed electrical systems foundation.

The problem that EV's face is physics.

You can only squeeze so much energy in to a particular package.

That's the inherent advantage enjoyed by ICE vehicles. You pump the oil, refined it, ship it to your distribution centers, and you're done.

EV production first uses the fossil fuel produced energy to power the equipment used to obtain the raw materials. Then uses more fossil fuels to process them, and send them to the manufacturers etc.

So every EV has used the fossil fuel logistic train at least twice, and usually three times before a vehicle gets to the dealership.

Then, because it takes a lot of electricity to charge them up (a typical charge is the equivalent of the weeks use for 5 homes IIRC) that too is usually provided by the power grid, which in most cases is powered by fossil fuels.

It's kinda like buying cocaine! When you finally get your end product, it's been "stepped on" a lot!

 

[GeneralMaximus]

Then, because it takes a lot of electricity to charge them up (a typical charge is the equivalent of the weeks use for 5 homes IIRC) that too is usually provided by the power grid, which in most cases is powered by fossil fuels.

I think your numbers are off by about 2,500%

Stats show, an average household uses 900kWh of electricity per month. An EV battery is around 75kWh, so a 20% to 80% charge will take 45kWh.

If you charge once a week, its more like 1/5th the power useage of 1 house.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I think your numbers are off by about 2,500%

Stats show, an average household uses 900kWh of electricity per month. An EV battery is around 75kWh, so a 20% to 80% charge will take 45kWh.

If you charge once a week, its more like 1/5th the power useage of 1 house.

I don't know if I'm off that far! but it is an old memory, and those are certainly suspect!

 

[ZeeJay]

I think the fatal flaw in all these discussions is, everyone is still assuming that the current era EV tech is what we are stuck with in the future. Its like the average consumer saying in 2008, “we still need our Nikons because the iphone takes potato quality pictures.” How many tourists with Nikons do you see nowadays?

The ICE engine, on the other hand, has already been developed for over a hundred years. But we shouldn’t compare it to where EVs are going to be in 5… 10 years time.

Of course it has improved and will continue to improve, that’s the normal evolution of technology. My issue with EV is the push to be all in immediately if not sooner as if we will all perish in a fiery inferno by 2030. My other issue is delusional people who have disconnected from reality and their perceived reality revolves around a battery powered car with not much, if any true understanding all the elements involved with building that electric car. Rather they stand on virtues and argue they are doing the right thing. Says who? Will electric be a full time thing one day, sure why not. From my trade I fully understand the mining and trucking transportation cost, and lack of tons per mile infrastructure we have. There is a lot of moving parts to this initiative, going EV is fine but I fear the life or death push will hurt a lot of us in the end.
In a post while back I dropped some numbers, here they are again for those who need to understand there is a cost and nothing is free just because it’s an EV and they aren’t buying gas.
Open pit lithium mine with as an example has twenty Komatsu 830E-5, 240 ton haul trucks powered with QSK60(60 liter) at a 50% load profile(meaning loaded at rated speed and power 50% of operation), those twenty trucks will burn approximately 19,000 gallons of fuel in 24 hours, that equals 532,000 gallons on month. These are approximate based on whatever load profile truck is running. This example only covers hauling the ore body to process area within the mine site, and that’s not even step one. Step one is exploration drilling, followed by ground prep, followed by drill and blast ground, followed by shovel loading into above mentioned truck. Fuel is being spent before it’s hauled out of the dig face, and this doesn’t cover the next 30 steps. Without the EV demand there wouldn’t be near the rush or demand to mine lithium deposits. This electrification isn’t without sin and it sure as hell isn’t clean.

 

[Gvsukids]

Funny how we're back at an EV vs ICE debate.
What will politics do for the next push of EV vehicles?

? So now I circle back to the first part like mining and manufacturing part again.

Not being run on EV.

 

[Minty JL]

Even with a new warm body in a C-Suite position.....the damage is done. A new person in the corporate grinder is going to have little to zero effect at the end of the day. A new CEO is going to get hammered and over written by the board of directors of a price drop proposal is issued.

Only way to reset and clear the books is for Jeeps ownership to change hands.

 

[ZeeJay]

Even with a new warm body in a C-Suite position.....the damage is done. A new person in the corporate grinder is going to have little to zero effect at the end of the day. A new CEO is going to get hammered and over written by the board of directors of a price drop proposal is issued.

Only way to reset and clear the books is for Jeeps ownership to change hands.

Especially when dude is doing like 3 other things, and this needs a lot of attention.

 

[Minty JL]

Especially when dude is doing like 3 other things, and this needs a lot of attention.

It's nutts what these fools get away with. This is the reason there are NDAs, no competes and other legal documentation to keep employees in their lane or position

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