Jeep Wrangler Scrambler teased ... Uh Huh, we'll see

[skiptheroad]

JR, the talk of the greenhouse proportions is strange. The only way to easily change that is to chop the top like the buzzcut from EJS this year.

Could they have already shown us most of the bits without telling us?
Take the roof height from the buzzcut, the front end from the anvil 715 and the proportions of the bugout from last year (which has a lower roofline also)

I didn't get that the Scrambler would have a lower roof height from his statement "a very low beltline and a high greenhouse, right?" This sounds like the opposite of what Ford did with the Bronco, which has a high belt line and compressed roof compared to the JL Wrangler.

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[biodiesel]

I didn't get that the Scrambler would have a lower roof height from his statement "a very low beltline and a high greenhouse, right?" This sounds like the opposite of what Ford did with the Bronco, which has a high belt line and compressed roof compared to the JL Wrangler.

Let's give this some context straight from the horse's mouth.

"On the Scrambler, we said we want to have something that conveys muscularity at the same time fun—not that military purpose-built thing, because we’ve been doing that forever. We have that. So why add another one of those if you already have that? I mean, how many different flavors of the ice cream can you make, you know?

So we said, okay, here’s what we’re going to do on this one: is we’re going to make the sides much more muscular instead of purposeful, and we’re going to raise the beltline significantly to lower the greenhouse. What happens with that when you do that, the visual side proportions change dramatically and you see a completely different car, even though underneath that it is still a four-door Wrangler.

But the proportions change. Now, what that enables you to do when you do that is we take the front door, and instead of having four doors, we make the front door significantly larger. Just like you would do with a two-door Charger and a four-door Charger, right? So the front door then becomes significantly larger, you open the front door, you can get into the front seat, but you also have pretty easy ingress/egress to the back seat, just like you would in the old days to a regular two-door car." - Tim Kuniskis

 

[JT1]

I didn't get that the Scrambler would have a lower roof height from his statement "a very low beltline and a high greenhouse, right?" This sounds like the opposite of what Ford did with the Bronco, which has a high belt line and compressed roof compared to the JL Wrangler.

just copy/paste directly from the interview, but on the scrambler he says raise the beltline.. that would require new doors and rear body stampings, plus new tops.:


Tim: Scrambler. Now, Scrambler is freaking cool. Because if you—look, nobody can see it, we’re not going to show pictures of it—but what’s exciting about Scrambler is if you can just close your eyes for a second and envision a Gladiator. And you envision the Gladiator and you see a very military side profile and you see a very low beltline and a high greenhouse, right? Where the glass is versus where the body is. And you see almost equal proportions between the side of the body and the glass.


That’s awesome, that’s very purposeful, it’s very military. As soon as you see it, you may not even be able to articulate it, but it just says “purposeful,” that was designed for that. On the Scrambler, we went in the other direction. On the Scrambler, we said we want to have something that conveys muscularity at the same time fun—not that military purpose-built thing, because we’ve been doing that forever. We have that. So why add another one of those if you already have that? I mean, how many different flavors of the ice cream can you make, you know?


So we said, okay, here’s what we’re going to do on this one: is we’re going to make the sides much more muscular instead of purposeful, and we’re going to raise the beltline significantly to lower the greenhouse. What happens with that when you do that, the visual side proportions change dramatically and you see a completely different car, even though underneath that it is still a four-door Wrangler.


But the proportions change. Now, what that enables you to do when you do that is we take the front door, and instead of having four doors, we make the front door significantly larger. Just like you would do with a two-door Charger and a four-door Charger, right? So the front door then becomes significantly larger, you open the front door, you can get into the front seat, but you also have pretty easy ingress/egress to the back seat, just like you would in the old days to a regular two-door car.


But the back—I’ll call it the back cap, if you will—if you were thinking about a pickup truck, you know, the camper cap—the cap can then come off like an old K5 Blazer. That can come off and you have the seats in the back that sit at the normal position of the front seats. So while you’re in the thing—while you’re in the vehicle—it almost seems like you’re in a four-door Wrangler.


But since the top comes off, we’ve enabled the rear seats to be removable and flippable so that you can make them facing backwards. That’s why we put the step on the side, so you can literally walk up to the side of this thing, don’t open the door, step on the step, jump in the back, and sit in the seat. That’s cool, but that’s not really what the total purpose was. What the total purpose was is when you take the top off and you have that seat back there, you can then fold that seat backwards flat and it makes a bed floor like a truck. When you do that and the top’s off, you actually have a bigger bed back there than a Gladiator.

 

[JT1]

Let's give this some context straight from the horse's mouth.

"On the Scrambler, we said we want to have something that conveys muscularity at the same time fun—not that military purpose-built thing, because we’ve been doing that forever. We have that. So why add another one of those if you already have that? I mean, how many different flavors of the ice cream can you make, you know?

So we said, okay, here’s what we’re going to do on this one: is we’re going to make the sides much more muscular instead of purposeful, and we’re going to raise the beltline significantly to lower the greenhouse. What happens with that when you do that, the visual side proportions change dramatically and you see a completely different car, even though underneath that it is still a four-door Wrangler.

But the proportions change. Now, what that enables you to do when you do that is we take the front door, and instead of having four doors, we make the front door significantly larger. Just like you would do with a two-door Charger and a four-door Charger, right? So the front door then becomes significantly larger, you open the front door, you can get into the front seat, but you also have pretty easy ingress/egress to the back seat, just like you would in the old days to a regular two-door car." - Tim Kuniskis

lol, beat me to it.

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

If this ends up having the removable back section like old broncos or the 1st Gen 4Runner it’ll sell like hotcakes unless they choose an absolute garbage engine/drivetrain for it. For those of us that grew up in the 80-90’s this will be a throwback to that time period. I have very fond memories riding in my buddy’s 1st Gen 4Runner with the back top off.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I like my 4runner.

 

[NC_Overland]

If this ends up having the removable back section like old broncos or the 1st Gen 4Runner it’ll sell like hotcakes unless they choose an absolute garbage engine/drivetrain for it. For those of us that grew up in the 80-90’s this will be a throwback to that time period. I have very fond memories riding in my buddy’s 1st Gen 4Runner with the back top off.

Two doors don’t sell. It’ll sell out early to early adopters and then fizzle out. I’d think it’ll be cool as hell and I hope they build it, but I’m sure they’re realistic in its sales projections. However, they probably understand the sales power of halo vehicles. It’s often underrated, but it thinking that’s there logic.

 

[Mad Mac]

Here is what Hummer has done on
a 116-inch wheelbase
if you have to have four doors.

I like it.
The gory details.

 

[BourbonRunner]

If this ends up having the removable back section like old broncos or the 1st Gen 4Runner it’ll sell like hotcakes unless they choose an absolute garbage engine/drivetrain for it. For those of us that grew up in the 80-90’s this will be a throwback to that time period. I have very fond memories riding in my buddy’s 1st Gen 4Runner with the back top off.

Or riding in the back of someone's truck down the road in a beach town...

There's enough reason to believe there's going to be a fire breather in there at least as an option. The checkered flag on the teaser slide deck indicated that with other SRT level projects.

If the Scrambler has a fully removable top like a first gen 4Runner does that mean its going to have a mid-body ROPs? Or will the cage extend back to the corner like the TJ Unlimited?

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

Two doors don’t sell. It’ll sell out early to early adopters and then fizzle out. I’d think it’ll be cool as hell and I hope they build it, but I’m sure they’re realistic in its sales projections. However, they probably understand the sales power of halo vehicles. It’s often underrated, but it thinking that’s there logic.

Unfortunately you’re correct. Even if they do build it most people will be priced out because it will be a smaller production run. Gotta hate that. Maybe they’ll do another Veteran thing and I can win one.

 

[biodiesel]

Two doors don’t sell.

I just watched a Tim Kuniskis video earlier today in which he addressed a frequent question about why Ram wasn't offering a regular cab (2 door) in the Ram 1500. His argument was twofold. The first argument was that only 3% of trucks sold today are regular cabs. His second argument was that high-end models bring in new customers, but the low-end models don't.

As much as I like Tim Kuniskis and the current direction of Stellantis, I feel like his answer was rehearsed and deceptive. He knows there's a lot of enthusiasm for a regular cab muscle truck. He even admitted that a regular cab would have saved them over 200 lbs. of weight over the quad cab.

Here's the truth. The 4th gen regular cab Ram 1500 was built in Mexico with the Ram HD trucks. But when Ram switched to the 5th gen cab in 2019, they no longer had a place to build a regular cab. Ram continued making the regular cab 1500 as a Classic through 2022 before it was discontinued.

 

[S JEEPN]

So Amigos this is how i picture the Scrambler from all the discussions and descriptions of course it will come with a more powerful motor, different grill, front fenders and a sticker package.

 

[Heater]

From alleged eye-witness accounts (this sounds like an episode of CSI), the Car and Driver illustration (below) seems pretty close. I kinda doubt a Buzzcut top; cutting 2 inches from an already cramped ceiling is quite a compromise for needed headroom.

The First Gen Honda Ridgline is back!

 

[AmosMoses]

So Amigos this is how i picture the Scrambler from all the discussions and descriptions of course it will come with a more powerful motor, different grill, front fenders and a sticker package.

Yep, high belt line, low greenhouse, similar to the new bronco. We just need IFS with small weak components that need upgraded to do real offroading stuff.

 

[JeepLife175]

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