Mopar 2" lift

[905_gladiator]

getting a bit annoyed with the Mopar lift, had it for almost a year now and it rides great. I do have a daystar 3/4 front spacer and TF front track bar

the front has started to sag when i first got it it was less than 1/2 inch lower in the front.. no big deal couldn't really tell

Now with the bumper and winch its over 1 1/2 inches lower in the front getting RSI cap next week lets see if it "levels" out

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[WhyNotJeep]

Went on the Qtec suite and there is some question how much lift you get with the Mopar 2 inch lift. They say in the Q&A section that the 2 inch lift gives the Rubicon much less than 2 inches. That the Fox shocks in the 2 inch lift are the same that is on the Rubicon. Others on U tube get much different results. I know that I really don't want anything more than 2 inches.
Whenever you measure lift it is from wheel center to bottom of fender, that takes the tire size out of it. Mine is front 24.5,,, rear 25.

 

[tysongladiator]

2" from where it sits factory with no additional or other aftermarket components. If your Rubicon or Mojave sits 1" higher than an Overland or Sport, then your Jeep will sit 1" higher after the lift. If you add weight, other aftermarket parts, or other suspension components, that will change. Expect it to change. That's how it works. Can't compare gladiators because everybody is different. 2" is what it is!

 

[WhyNotJeep]

What is the fully extended shock length in the 2 inch kit compared to the factory Rubicon?
The 2 inch lift will lift all Gladiators to the same height minus any added weight.

 

[Rusty PW]

What is the fully extended shock length in the 2 inch kit compared to the factory Rubicon?
The 2 inch lift will lift all Gladiators to the same height minus any added weight.

That's what I want to know. The difference in shock length.

 

[WhyNotJeep]

I have herd and read lots of mixed info on the Mopar lift as to ride quality and ammount of lift. I could always add a spacer for a little mor lift if the shocks have measurements that will allow it. Does the lower front CA's give you at least 5 deg caster? Seems with so many of those lifts installed there would be more real info on it. Some of the U tube on it is a joke. Like every other lift, it's like "it's the best ever" but never a satisfaction guarantee. Some real first hand info would be nice.

 

[tysongladiator]

I have herd and read lots of mixed info on the Mopar lift as to ride quality and ammount of lift. I could always add a spacer for a little mor lift if the shocks have measurements that will allow it. Does the lower front CA's give you at least 5 deg caster? Seems with so many of those lifts installed there would be more real info on it. Some of the U tube on it is a joke. Like every other lift, it's like "it's the best ever" but never a satisfaction guarantee. Some real first hand info would be nice.

What do you want to know about the Mopar lift? I've had the Mopar lift with a 3/4" spacer up front for over 110,000 miles. Same kit since day one. I replaced the stabilizer because I damaged mine wheeling and I am now to the point where I'm about to change my track bar later this week. Gonna do a video on my youtube channel on how the track bar looks after 110,000 miles.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The 2 inch lift will lift all Gladiators to the same height minus any added weight.

Ah, but no one knows what that height is - every JT is different.
You have to factor in weight since all of our trucks are different weights.

Even swapping in different springs, such as putting Rubicon springs under an overland, will get different results. I put Rubicon springs (the lighter numbers) under mine and got almost 1" while others have gotten a bit over 1".
Max tow springs under the rear of my Overland didn't change the rear height but they were a lot shorter than my stock springs.

Even various Rubicons are different weights so a 2" lift on Rubicon A may end up with a different height than the same kit on Rubicon B

 

[WhyNotJeep]

If the Mopar 2 inch lift only gets me as a Rubicon 1 inch of lift and the 2.5 Fox shocks in the kit are the same extended length, then it's really a bust for me. I want a lift that will get me more total suspension travel or it's just a expensive spacer lift with shock extensions and bump stop spacers.
I am sure there is a difference in the Rubicon weights. Leather seats are heavier and the headliner is real heavy. There just seems to be a real lack of info on such an important part that costs almost $1800. With no return for any reason. Mine is still factory stock except for the heavy WeatherTech floor mats.

 

[tysongladiator]

Ah, but no one knows what that height is - every JT is different.
You have to factor in weight since all of our trucks are different weights.

Even swapping in different springs, such as putting Rubicon springs under an overland, will get different results. I put Rubicon springs (the lighter numbers) under mine and got almost 1" while others have gotten a bit over 1".
Max tow springs under the rear of my Overland didn't change the rear height but they were a lot shorter than my stock springs.

Even various Rubicons are different weights so a 2" lift on Rubicon A may end up with a different height than the same kit on Rubicon B

Oh thank you! I have said so many times that a 2" lift will lift it from where it currently sits. You can't compare because they're all different. I was called stupid for saying that. Finally a person that agrees.

 

[Summitsearcher]

getting a bit annoyed with the Mopar lift, had it for almost a year now and it rides great. I do have a daystar 3/4 front spacer and TF front track bar

the front has started to sag when i first got it it was less than 1/2 inch lower in the front.. no big deal couldn't really tell

Now with the bumper and winch its over 1 1/2 inches lower in the front getting RSI cap next week lets see if it "levels" out

That answers my question ?

 

[Hunteruu]

I plan to get this kit, but will still add the TF front spacers to aid in the steel bumper and winch I already added. Hopefully that will level it out once it all settles.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Oh thank you! I have said so many times that a 2" lift will lift it from where it currently sits. You can't compare because they're all different. I was called stupid for saying that. Finally a person that agrees.

Last thing I'd associate with you is "stupid".
It's really simple - any lift kit that is advertised as xx" is based on a specific model and weight. No one can possibly say exactly how tall a vehicle, car or truck, will sit. All a company could ever say is "our springs will hold x,xxx pounds y" higher than stock springs under zz model" and even then, no, not really.

Look at each trim level - Rubicon since that's the big deal everywhere - even those come with at least 3 different spring numbers just for the front springs. I stopped keeping track but I'd bet by now there are at least 4 different spring numbers for the front of a Rubicon. The goal when they are built is for them to have a curb height within a certain range. To accomplish that the Rubicon with the optional steel bumper and skid plate will have heavier springs up front than the base Rubicon with plastic bumper. So how can anyone possibly say that no matter what you put a specific lift kit under it's going to either raise it exactly 2", or make it sit at any specific height? It's not possible.
All anyone can do is say that 1" spacers will make your truck sit 1" higher than it sits right now. How high will that be? Tell me how high it sits now and I'll tell you how tall a 1" spacer will make it sit.
Even in the 60s and 70s, cars came with many different spring combinations, often a different spring for left and right.
My 70 Javelin had heavier springs under it than many others. Why? It was fully loaded, with go-pak, rally-pak, AC, PS, AT (and those Borg Warner transmissions were HEAVY) and other options.
If I put the springs from another 70 Javelin under it, it would have sat lower. Curb height specs were the same for all versions, that means to accomplish that, different springs had to be used.

The only type of lift you can reliably predict is a spacer lift. And the only thing you can say is that it will lift your truck to 3/4" or 1" or whatever the spacer is, over where it sits before the lift is installed.

Any lift based on springs it's "typical for xx model of Gladiator". It may lift a Sport 1/2" higher than it lifts a loaded Rubicon.

And when some of us lift, or drop, an IFS car, the math is even more complex..........

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That answers my question ?

I put the lighter number Rubicon springs under the front of mine. I added 3/4" Daystar spacers.
The springs raised the front of my truck almost 1".
The winch (80-86) and bumper and skid plate (another 80 pounds at least) dropped the front 1/2".
The spacers lifted it back up to the point that now, after over a year, mine sits about 1" higher than stock.
I've been trying to gather STOCK Overland height numbers to get a good feel for the exact amount of "lift" or difference because I want to evaluate my options for if a new one ever arrives - do the same thing, or go a different route..........

In any case, the extra weight from the bolts, brackets, skid plate, winch, bumper, etc. comes up to about 160+ pounds. That's a fair amount of extra weight up there and of course is going to make any spring sit lower. That's why Rubicons with the skid plate and steel bumper get heaver springs from the factory.
I'd call it a "DUH" thing.

 

[Summitsearcher]

I put the lighter number Rubicon springs under the front of mine. I added 3/4" Daystar spacers.
The springs raised the front of my truck almost 1".
The winch (80-86) and bumper and skid plate (another 80 pounds at least) dropped the front 1/2".
The spacers lifted it back up to the point that now, after over a year, mine sits about 1" higher than stock.
I've been trying to gather STOCK Overland height numbers to get a good feel for the exact amount of "lift" or difference because I want to evaluate my options for if a new one ever arrives - do the same thing, or go a different route..........

In any case, the extra weight from the bolts, brackets, skid plate, winch, bumper, etc. comes up to about 160+ pounds. That's a fair amount of extra weight up there and of course is going to make any spring sit lower. That's why Rubicons with the skid plate and steel bumper get heaver springs from the factory.
I'd call it a "DUH" thing.

Great points. Not sure how much the stock rubi bumper weighs. Your calculations are pretty close for a spacer up front after the winch and bumper to even it out. Great advice!

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