OIL CHANGE GLADIATOR

[Gladiator Brad 704]

I don't think you should be changing the oil.

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[WILDHOBO]

I don't think you should be changing the oil.

Harsh. Everyone learns at different times and intervals.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't think you should be changing the oil.

I see two possible responses to this, depending on how you mean it:

A. You mean these are lifetime oil and I've been wasting my money on buying oil and filters all these years when it's not necessary?

B. Why? Because dealerships and oil change places do a far far far better job and are the best possible choice for oil changes?

And finally -

Harsh. Everyone learns at different times and intervals.

Yeah, that crossed my mind. The plus side is HE ASKED!!!
Question - not dumb
but
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[JW Jeep]

Anybody could learn to change the oil on these in a few minutes. Now that being said checking the oil with the dip stick and getting a reliable reading is a whole different subject, Lol !! Just being sarcastic but most of you know what I mean. I have been using the free Jeep services and have one more to go and it’s a lot easier these days to have them rotating the tires which I have marked just to be sure it’s done and right ? Really I can’t wait to change the oil and put 5 quarts in and see exactly where it measures on the dip stick at different times of the motor being shut off !! And I’ve been in the auto field 40 plus years. The book I recall says 10 minutes. I do 15 after complete warm up.

 

[Gladiator Brad 704]

I also took advantage of the free oil changes and tire rotations that were awarded with my new purchase. After these were used up I returned to doing it myself. When I went to rotate the tires there was at least one lug on each wheel that was torqued way to tight. Two wheels had two. I had to use a 4 foot 1" drive breaker bar from my tractor tools to get them off. I was beyond pissed. A call to the dealership service manager was met with skepticism. He said "sometimes those guys get carried away". If I had been on the side of the road with a flat tire I would have been out of luck. I felt lucky the wheels were not damaged.

Oil changes are pretty simple. But if you are going to work on things be prepared and research first. Don't rely on smart asses like me that hide behind a computer screen for rescue.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Really I can’t wait to change the oil and put 5 quarts in and see exactly where it measures on the dip stick at different times of the motor being shut off !! And I’ve been in the auto field 40 plus years. The book I recall says 10 minutes. I do 15 after complete warm up.

I swear the level on the stick on mine depends on the position and phase of the moon. It seems to read higher at high tide.
But I don't get excited about 1/8" or so difference from time to time. It's staying up between changes, never ever down to even the halfway between full and add.
But full - ask me again tomorrow, it will be different, I'm sure - there's a full moon.
It's one of the worst dip stick designs, IMO.

I always drain my vehicles when the oil is hot, and then I let it sit for 20 minutes or so while I check over other aspects of the vehicle. If there's still a drop forming, I won't put the plug back in.

I think I'm out of wave changes now - MIGHT have one left - let them do the heavy lifting until they run out. I do a 5 tire rotation so let them mess with that spare setup for now. I've got 2 other cars and a lawn tractor to keep maintenance up on and when my wife's Jeep is out of wave changes/rotations, then I deal with the spare on the back of that Wrangler, too.
So far they've done a good job with wave stuff at this dealership.
I've never had to use anything more than my 1/2" drive breaker bar to get the lug nuts loose (but then I'm used to torquing some hefty bolts - and I am the one that broke off a body bolt with that 15" long 1/2" drive breaker bar............

 

[BDK]

I also took advantage of the free oil changes and tire rotations that were awarded with my new purchase. After these were used up I returned to doing it myself. When I went to rotate the tires there was at least one lug on each wheel that was torqued way to tight. Two wheels had two. I had to use a 4 foot 1" drive breaker bar from my tractor tools to get them off. I was beyond pissed. A call to the dealership service manager was met with skepticism. He said "sometimes those guys get carried away". If I had been on the side of the road with a flat tire I would have been out of luck. I felt lucky the wheels were not damaged.

Oil changes are pretty simple. But if you are going to work on things be prepared and research first. Don't rely on smart asses like me that hide behind a computer screen for rescue.

Identical story here too. I took advantage of the free Jeep Wave oil changes at the dealership I bought the vehicle from (I usually change oil on all my vehicles myself).

When I went to do my first oil change and rotation, the drain plug was finger tight. The wheels were the opposite. I had to use a 6ft aluminum fence pole as a breaker bar with the 4-way to break the lugs loose. Thought for sure the 4-way was gonna snap. I would have been hosed if I needed to change a tire on the road.

Sometimes "free" isn't always worth it.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Identical story here too. I took advantage of the free Jeep Wave oil changes at the dealership I bought the vehicle from (I usually change oil on all my vehicles myself).

When I went to do my first oil change and rotation, the drain plug was finger tight. The wheels were the opposite. I had to use a 6ft aluminum fence pole as a breaker bar with the 4-way to break the lugs loose. Thought for sure the 4-way was gonna snap. I would have been hosed if I needed to change a tire on the road.

Sometimes "free" isn't always worth it.

Sometimes free is really expensive. I’d have showed up at the dealership with a torque wrench to show the service manager what they were torqued to.

 

[jav_eee]

I never go into a auto parts store without researching and knowing beforehand what I am buying and how much

some people just can't be bothered to put some effort in...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

some people just can't be bothered to put some effort in...

There are times when I walk into a store, I know more about the product they sell, even down to the location of the product in the store, than employees of the store do.
My wife wanted another rotating tree stand so all three of her Christmas trees in the house rotated. I looked up what we had, what would work with the 3rd tree, walked into the store, to the correct aisle and bin and was there only long enough to walk back to the stands, grab one and then go check out.
I try to do even more for some items as I get quite frustrated with the lack of knowledge of some of the people who work in stores these days.
One of my first jobs as a teen, (I worked 2 part time jobs besides going to school) was in an older Ace hardware store. After a few months I knew every aisle and shelf of that store, and if someone came in asking for almost anything, I could get them there, and the hardware side of things was even better - I got to where I could even tell a DIY'er what size wires, pipes, or whatever, that they needed for a project.
My tolerance level is really very low for people who sell or install things and they don't seem to have the knowledge I feel they should have.
OTOH, I've been very impressed at times, too - I did my due diligence before we went out shopping for a washer and dryer several years ago..... I knew what we wanted for specs, size, features and so on, even narrowed down brands.
We got to a Sears store (they did exist) and we were in the aisle with the washers and dryers and noticed that two very very similar looking washing machines had a price difference of a couple hundred dollars, yet they looked so alike. I asked the guy there what the differences were, how one could justify the higher price of the one on that side of the aisle vs. the other.
He said - open and close the door on each, operate the controls and looks closely. Wow, night and day difference with the doors. One had the pop of closing the doors on a very high end luxury car, the hinge reminded me of something Mercedes would have done. Well, I was close - that machine was made in Germany - the cheaper one, same company - made in Mexico. That guy could also answer any questions I had about what they sold there. But I don't count on it, parts stores are no exception. They sell stuff too often without knowing what they are selling so the customer should be armed with information before walking in - so all you need to do is ask where it is.
Can't count on 'em to know how much oil you need, the type of oil, or even how much is in a jug unless they have worked there for a while and at least tried to learn.
And with the Pentastar taking different quantities of oil depending on what vehicle it's in - that's even more important. If they sell mostly to owners of other Jeeps, they may say hey, you need 6 quarts! (and they may be wrong) How many will know that it varies with the vehicle?

 

[Hootbro]

There are times when I walk into a store, I know more about the product they sell, even down to the location of the product in the store, than employees of the store do.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I had a lot of fun back in the 90s listening to a sales guy in a store's computer department back when there was such a thing.
I was ready to leave, done shopping, but I just HAD to stick around and listen to the back and forth between a potential customer and a sales guy selling computers.
Customer - what's this?
Sales guy - that's a tape drive
Customer - what's that for?
Sales guy - so you can make backups
Customer - why would I want to do that?
Sales guy - you might want to have another copy of your files
Customer - why?
Sales guy - man, he fumbled and mumbled and just couldn't do anything other than say "some people want that because it's handy". Dude, tell him WHY it's handy!
I was already working IT at CCC and was responsible for server backups and data protection, and sooo wanted to go over and explain to the guy that sometimes computer drives fail and it's like losing everything to a fire or storm - if that happens everything on that computer is GONE unless you have a copy of it somewhere.
The sales guy couldn't even come up with a good lie to make the customer really want that thing. My bet - he'd really never used a computer himself.

 

[Lunentucker]

I had a lot of fun back in the 90s listening to a sales guy in a store's computer department back when there was such a thing.
I was ready to leave, done shopping, but I just HAD to stick around and listen to the back and forth between a potential customer and a sales guy selling computers.
Customer - what's this?
Sales guy - that's a tape drive
Customer - what's that for?
Sales guy - so you can make backups
Customer - why would I want to do that?
Sales guy - you might want to have another copy of your files
Customer - why?
Sales guy - man, he fumbled and mumbled and just couldn't do anything other than say "some people want that because it's handy". Dude, tell him WHY it's handy!
I was already working IT at CCC and was responsible for server backups and data protection, and sooo wanted to go over and explain to the guy that sometimes computer drives fail and it's like losing everything to a fire or storm - if that happens everything on that computer is GONE unless you have a copy of it somewhere.
The sales guy couldn't even come up with a good lie to make the customer really want that thing. My bet - he'd really never used a computer himself.

By FAR, my most rewarding experience was the lost Masters Thesis.
A college student was months into her Masters thesis.
She had her working copy on a thumb drive with a lanyard on it.
One night, after working on it for a few hours, she got up from the chair at the desk and in her barefooted state, her big toe got hung in the lanyard. In a split second her thumb drive was in pieces.
She brought it to me, and upon examination I gave her a glimmer of hope.
We bought an identical make and model, and I took them to an electronics nerd friend.
He has all of the tools for micro soldering.
We transplanted her thesis to the donor drive and she was able to get her work back.

Needless to say, she was beyond happy, and I was happy for her.

What's this thread about? Oil changes?
USB drives don't have oil in them. Now you're just being silly.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

What's this thread about? Oil changes?
USB drives don't have oil in them. Now you're just being silly.

Are you so sure about that???

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[WanderingTrail]

Great now I'm on amazon looking for those.

Ron

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