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In the 1990 film, an 8-year-old Kevin McCallister visited a neighborhood grocery store to pick up a few items -- alone. After all, his family did mistakenly leave him to fend for himself as they flew to Europe.

What did he buy? A half-gallon of milk and orange juice, a microwavable TV dinner, frozen macaroni and cheese, a loaf of bread, dryer sheets, laundry detergent, toilet paper, saran wrap, and a bag of toy soldiers. All totaling a whopping $19.83, with a dollar-off coupon.
Less than $20.

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Come on, comparing vehicle costs today to back in the last century - hard to compare.
Have to consider all of the other stuff we have that no one had back then (or few had) so while we complain about the cost of a new vehicle, we swim in all of these other consumer goods we say we just won't live without. . Our houses, HVAC and so many other things are so much better. Go back to the typical house of the 1960s.
It's just crazy to try to compare some costs.
Necessary consumer goods - yeah. That's different. We all rely on groceries, but we don't HAVE to buy or own the vehicles we do.

We also have to consider the technology and safety factors in a new vehicle.
 

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In the 1990 film, an 8-year-old Kevin McCallister visited a neighborhood grocery store to pick up a few items -- alone. After all, his family did mistakenly leave him to fend for himself as they flew to Europe.

What did he buy? A half-gallon of milk and orange juice, a microwavable TV dinner, frozen macaroni and cheese, a loaf of bread, dryer sheets, laundry detergent, toilet paper, saran wrap, and a bag of toy soldiers. All totaling a whopping $19.83, with a dollar-off coupon.
Less than $20.

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Come on, comparing vehicle costs today to back in the last century - hard to compare.
Have to consider all of the other stuff we have that no one had back then (or few had) so while we complain about the cost of a new vehicle, we swim in all of these other consumer goods we say we just won't live without. . Our houses, HVAC and so many other things are so much better. Go back to the typical house of the 1960s.
It's just crazy to try to compare some costs.
Necessary consumer goods - yeah. That's different. We all rely on groceries, but we don't HAVE to buy or own the vehicles we do.

We also have to consider the technology and safety factors in a new vehicle.
i hear what your saying. but a 20k HVAC system doesn't automatically make a house worth as much as they are today. 60s still had fridges, washers, dryers, etc. And they actually lasted too. so you count a 20 buck internet fee and a 60 dollar phone bill. its not adding up the way it should. Now your right i know people who "can't" live without 500 dollars worth of subscriptions. But thats not me. and as far as safety, yes cars are a lot safer, but our jeeps don't even have a side impact rating. like come on. tbh we'll never know the true difference. plenty of my generation can' live without some things and wouldn't go back for nothing. I on the other hand I would like a few things from before my time.
 

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New ones are quieter, ride better, and get better gas mileage (maybe). We bought our Gladiator because it is convenient to have a small truck and because it is much better for long trips. However, I still have my XJ because it is super reliable and because it will go over anything. It cost me very little to keep it and I still want to wheel hard occasionally.
I am with those that say older vehicles are simpler, they are! Way less stuff to break, interfere, or figure out how to use. I had a new BMW 5 Series this weekend and it was annoying! Fantastic at chewing up miles and 34mpg, but in three days I still didn't have all the annoying crap turned off or set like I would want, and some things can't be changed.
I had to buy a Tazer to turn off some of Jeeps annoying crap! So there are a lot of things I prefer about older vehicles but new ones have their advantages!

FYI - XJ gets 13mpg and isn't really comfortable over 75mph (it also dies going up long hills like a loaded semi)
Gladiator gets 18 and will go 85 and more easily!
 

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New ones ... get better gas mileage (maybe).
Definitely not... The same at best! my TJ with 3" lift and 33's is getting 17mpg, mixed between city and 75mph hwy. The JT with 35's gets 16mpg in the same driving on the same routes. Biggest thing for me, is the JT has a smoother ride thanks to the longer WB. (Another funny thing, is the TJ from front bumper to back of tub is the same as the JT... JT is 5feet longer due to the bed)
 

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Definitely not... The same at best! my TJ with 3" lift and 33's is getting 17mpg, mixed between city and 75mph hwy. The JT with 35's gets 16mpg in the same driving on the same routes. Biggest thing for me, is the JT has a smoother ride thanks to the longer WB. (Another funny thing, is the TJ from front bumper to back of tub is the same as the JT... JT is 5feet longer due to the bed)
Look at the extra weight and flat sides for drag. Can't compare! They aren't the same size, weight, the size of the sides and so on. Why not compare a car to a truck?
What's that little Jeep weigh? Not near what a JT weighs - probably mid-three thousands, perhaps 4 tops fully loaded and full of fuel, with driver?
We're talking in the range of 1,000 or even more weight difference and we talk about mpg?

My WJs (owned 3) got maybe 18, 19 if driven like grandma and I can top that with a heavier, safer, more capable truck - the JT.
Not a fair comparison because the WJ sat a lot lower, was far more aerodynamic.......it should have trounced a longer, flat-sided, taller, square brick.
 

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Look at the extra weight and flat sides for drag. Can't compare! They aren't the same size, weight, the size of the sides and so on. Why not compare a car to a truck?
What's that little Jeep weigh? Not near what a JT weighs - probably mid-three thousands, perhaps 4 tops fully loaded and full of fuel, with driver?
We're talking in the range of 1,000 or even more weight difference and we talk about mpg?

My WJs (owned 3) got maybe 18, 19 if driven like grandma and I can top that with a heavier, safer, more capable truck - the JT.
Not a fair comparison because the WJ sat a lot lower, was far more aerodynamic.......it should have trounced a longer, flat-sided, taller, square brick.
With all the efficiencies that have been implemented in the past 20 years, plus by lifting and further decreasing the aerodynamic profile of the TJ, I would expect the JT to get more mileage. Yes it is heavier, but supposedly more efficient both mechanically, and aerodynamically than the TJ. Maybe it's the torque... Interestingly enough, the JT has a better cd than a dodge viper RT/10... (0.5)

Weight of TJ ~3800 lbs
Weight of JT ~4800 lbs

cd of TJ ~0.58
cd of JT ~0.45

power of TJ ~190hp/230ftlbs
power of JT ~285hp/260ftlbs

edit: Oh, and this whole thread is comparing TJ to JT... that's why not comparing a truck to a car...
 
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edit: Oh, and this whole thread is comparing TJ to JT... that's why not comparing a truck to a car...
Actually, if you look at my original post, this is comparing the TJ to the JL 2 door. Not the JT. It was not meant to be a TJ/JT comparison - that's not even a fair comparison. I just thought it was cool to see old and new side by side.

A more applicable comparison would be the original 2 door Gladiator to the new JT. But I dont think anyone has made a video comparing them.
 

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I just want a nice car, and a piece of property. Things that use to reasonable for any working man back in the day. Not so much anymore.
Didn't assume that this is the case in the US also.

But here in Germany it is quite the same. Just had some guys working on my house and they were saying "we never will have our own property - much to expensive".

Anyhow, in your country economy is rising and hopefully everythings is going better in the near future ...
 
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Didn't assume that this is the case in the US also.

But here in Germany it is quite the same. Just had some guys working on my house and they were saying "we never will have our own property - much to expensive".

Anyhow, in your country economy is rising and hopefully everythings is going better in the near future ...
That is a perspective I wish more people had. Not to downplay the current economic situation, but there are a lot of countries that are still far behind the US in terms of tech and daily quality of life. Although plenty of other countries also have a nice quality of living, and of course quality of life is subjective.

I heard a statistic some 5-10 years ago, I never found the source to determine if it is actually true. But it said that, out of the entire world, all countries, all tribes, etc... Only something like 3% of the world population has a floor in their living structure (be it a wood house, cement building, mud hut), that is 'developed' ie. not dirt. Even if that is far exaggerated, we still have it pretty darn good.
 

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in your country economy is rising and hopefully everythings is going better in the near future
So say the media and leaders while we struggle with crazy increases in inflation in necessities, insurance, home prices, mortgage rates and so on.
My last SS increase was eaten twice by increases in medical insurance costs - so in a real way, I took a pay cut.
My other retirement accounts dropped by about 20% and have yet to recover, so won't last as long.

There's always hope, but the rising only applies to a few.

I heard a statistic some 5-10 years ago, I never found the source to determine if it is actually true. But it said that, out of the entire world, all countries, all tribes, etc... Only something like 3% of the world population has a floor in their living structure (be it a wood house, cement building, mud hut), that is 'developed' ie. not dirt. Even if that is far exaggerated, we still have it pretty darn good.
Could be because much of the Asian world, Indonesia, and other densely populated areas, even Haiti and other places - it's not good at all.

Even in countries like South Korea, extremely developed, good economy and so on, you can walk - yes walk - from all of that money into the rural and farm areas where yeah, they still live in huts and places with dirt floors.
I have pictures - it was shocking to walk from concrete to dirt, and see modern fast trains and highways, and below that, life like it was 150 years ago.

There's reasons my wife is more than generous with donations and help for the hungry.
 

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JT has a lower drag coefficient because they lowered the headroom 3-4 inches. At 6’3”, I’d like the headroom back please.
 

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Didn't assume that this is the case in the US also.

But here in Germany it is quite the same. Just had some guys working on my house and they were saying "we never will have our own property - much to expensive".

Anyhow, in your country economy is rising and hopefully everythings is going better in the near future ...
i banking on it lol. been saving up to build my own house.
 

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