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I am feeling front end instability when either of the front wheels hit a bump, pothole, dip etc. Happens at any speed, but especially noticeable when one wheel hits, not both like over railroad tracks. Not sure what pinion angles are, sorry. I do notice a significant bowing of the left front spring though and have told COR... shocks pistons are over 6 1/2 inches exposed in front (which COR has told me is approaching max). I have a diesel JTR and COR 2.5" Overland plus kit-- 3.5" springs in front/2.5" in rear and Fox shocks for a 2.5" lift. I've asked if this is a mismatch (front) and haven't really gotten a definitive answer. They have talked about sending out some Fox front shocks for a 3.5-4 inch lift to replace the 2-3" travel ones that are currently on...
Sounds like "Bump steer". Personally, I doubt it is the springs. Even if the springs bow, they do not cause driving issues, mostly just noise. Pinion angle and track bar misadjusted could be causing the bow. Also, the JT rubber spring isolators on the front end are notoriously soft. I pitched them when I did my install. I went directly to Rusty's JL/JT Bow Correction Lower Coil Spring Isolators, only $25 - and you will not have a spring bow problem unless your geometry is way off. Here is a link and pic.

https://www.rustysoffroad.com/rustys-jl-jt-bow-correction-lower-coil-spring-isolators.html

Here, you can see the difference:

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For Bump steer, the thing to check is to make sure everything on the front end is torqued to spec. -- especially the track bar, drag link, tie rod. If any of those items are loose, they could cause bump steer. I would assume your control arms are all torqued to spec. since you just had the installation done.

The other thing to do is to put the truck on level ground and loosen all the control arms, then, re-torque them again to spec. Then, mark them with a paint pen, so, you know if they loosened at all later on.

If you can verify these two items above, then, you reduce a lot of variables in the equation.

PS. what is your caster at ? do you have upper adjustable control arms ? If it is 7 or higher, I would reduce it to between 5.7 to 6.2 or so. This will help make the geometry more parallel between your drag link and track bar - and may help reduce the bump steer.

PSS. Make sure that front track bar is tight and there is no play in the bushings. Play in the track bar will cause exactly the experience you described.
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Another thing to tighten is the end links for the front sway bar. I noticed one of mine (Clayton) loosened up twice after wheeling and it makes the front end loose at speed and can contribute to bump steer. Also, if you did not disconnect your sway bar during the installation, you may not have gotten it tight enough.
Disconnect your front sway bar on your rubicon. While it is disconnected, turn off the jeep and get your allen wrench and 18 mm open end socket and make sure those end links are tight. They are very easy to cinch up tight when the sway bar is disconnected.
 

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Ordered Clayton Offroad Overland Plus 2.5" with Fox shocks-- been installed over a month with front end issue that can't be diagnosed/identiffied... when I ask them how its going to get resolved, they say that they can't help me bc my Jeep isn't there for them to look at. There have been a lot of hypotheticals that have discussed ie, mismatched shock travel for my springs (diesel), upper control arm lenghts, alignment etc., but with no game plan or solution. Spent $3K and $1K to install by experienced dealership, but I'm no further along the process of trying to resolve than I was a year ago! Would I order again-- really not sure... I know a lot of you have had great success and CS with them, but my experience has been nothing short of frustrating. Sorry-- just being honest. Have owned 3 AEV kits with zero problems, and at least at this point, a much better on road ride quality.
UPDATE ON CLAYTON OFF-ROAD DIESEL LIFT: Went from Chicago to Grand Rapids, MI last week to go to Gas Pedal Customs (Clayton Off-road dealer), and it took them only a quick ride by the tech and then putting my JT up on the lift to discover that my Jeep dealership who had installed the Clayton Off-road Overland plus kit on my 2021 diesel JTR had put each of the upper control arms on the wrong side! This was causing some rubbing on frame and handling issues... changed out to correct side and the JT was way more composed and drives like a dream now. I knew there was an issue right from the start on my first drive, but ultimately Clayton Off-road and Gas Pedal Customs helped diagnose and fix quickly. I highly recommend Gas Pedal Customs if anyone is anywhere near MI. Thanks Clayton, Adam & James @ Clayton Off-road for the continued help and patience! Congrats also on the new Warehouse!
 

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UPDATE ON CLAYTON OFF-ROAD DIESEL LIFT: Went from Chicago to Grand Rapids, MI last week to go to Gas Pedal Customs (Clayton Off-road dealer), and it took them only a quick ride by the tech and then putting my JT up on the lift to discover that my Jeep dealership who had installed the Clayton Off-road Overland plus kit on my 2021 diesel JTR had put each of the upper control arms on the wrong side! This was causing some rubbing on frame and handling issues... changed out to correct side and the JT was way more composed and drives like a dream now. I knew there was an issue right from the start on my first drive, but ultimately Clayton Off-road and Gas Pedal Customs helped diagnose and fix quickly. I highly recommend Gas Pedal Customs if anyone is anywhere near MI. Thanks Clayton, Adam & James @ Clayton Off-road for the continued help and patience! Congrats also on the new Warehouse!
glad to see you got this resolved.

pics from the side to see the stance with the diesel would be awesome!!
 

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Soooo.... After all that bashing of Clayton and their customer service and the experienced dealership install and blah blah blah, the upper control arms where installed on the wrong sides?

Wow.
Let this be a lesson. Installing a lift like this should be done by a experienced shop with references, not stealership. Or done by you. I installed mine in 2 days in my garage by myself. Yes, it sucked. Yes, ratchet straps can substitute for helping hands. Yes, you can make sure it's done right, not by a kid who is usually changing oil and can barely do that right.

Again, stealerships are for buyin' not buildin'.
 

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UPDATE ON CLAYTON OFF-ROAD DIESEL LIFT: Went from Chicago to Grand Rapids, MI last week to go to Gas Pedal Customs (Clayton Off-road dealer), and it took them only a quick ride by the tech and then putting my JT up on the lift to discover that my Jeep dealership who had installed the Clayton Off-road Overland plus kit on my 2021 diesel JTR had put each of the upper control arms on the wrong side! This was causing some rubbing on frame and handling issues... changed out to correct side and the JT was way more composed and drives like a dream now. I knew there was an issue right from the start on my first drive, but ultimately Clayton Off-road and Gas Pedal Customs helped diagnose and fix quickly. I highly recommend Gas Pedal Customs if anyone is anywhere near MI. Thanks Clayton, Adam & James @ Clayton Off-road for the continued help and patience! Congrats also on the new Warehouse!
When I installed my lift, I did the same thing, but, I noticed the interference and switched them up before I tightened the bolts. I do not remember if the control arms were labeled side specific or not, but, it seemed easy to make that mistake... I should have mentioned that in my first post on this thread, but, I did not think of it... ugh...
 

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UPDATE ON CLAYTON OFF-ROAD DIESEL LIFT: Went from Chicago to Grand Rapids, MI last week to go to Gas Pedal Customs (Clayton Off-road dealer), and it took them only a quick ride by the tech and then putting my JT up on the lift to discover that my Jeep dealership who had installed the Clayton Off-road Overland plus kit on my 2021 diesel JTR had put each of the upper control arms on the wrong side! This was causing some rubbing on frame and handling issues... changed out to correct side and the JT was way more composed and drives like a dream now. I knew there was an issue right from the start on my first drive, but ultimately Clayton Off-road and Gas Pedal Customs helped diagnose and fix quickly. I highly recommend Gas Pedal Customs if anyone is anywhere near MI. Thanks Clayton, Adam & James @ Clayton Off-road for the continued help and patience! Congrats also on the new Warehouse!

I read your update and thought to myself, what idiot could mess that up. Then I crawled under my own truck and saw what could have been some level of interference. I decided to swap my front UCAs and what a difference that made. I thought I had just been living with "a jeep thing", but wow.
 

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I read your update and thought to myself, what idiot could mess that up. Then I crawled under my own truck and saw what could have been some level of interference. I decided to swap my front UCAs and what a difference that made. I thought I had just been living with "a jeep thing", but wow.
Does anyone happen to have pictures? I think mine may be currently on the wrong side also. I am definitely rubbing the frame.

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Yeah. That looks a lot like mine before I swapped them.
I am going to swap mine tomorrow.

I just noticed that you are running 37"s on AEV Pintlers too. Do you rub at full lock like I do? I didn't read COR's recommended backspacing limit until after I had the tires mounted.
 

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I am going to swap mine tomorrow.

I just noticed that you are running 37"s on AEV Pintlers too. Do you rub at full lock like I do? I didn't read COR's recommended backspacing limit until after I had the tires mounted.
I do scrub at full lock. I have debated adjusting the steering limiters to prevent it, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
 
 







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