Problem with steering

[ShadowsPapa]

No kidding! It was his exact words. A tech at a tire shop. Made me so nervous, I think I checked the torque on my wheels as well. I would have rather him said that he couldn't do it than to say that. Lol

One other thing. Funny you mention loctite. When you get a new pitman nut for the JT and JL, they come with a dry coating of loctite. Ask me how I know.???

Yeah, I've seen that pic somewhere, I'm fairly sure.

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[ShadowsPapa]

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...x-cost-me-0-updated-1-7-23.57677/#post-946383

The pitman nut torque should be the same............

 

[DaveL]

Thanks for the posts!

Had real real trouble with the dealer we got our 2019 JLU from.

It was leased; let it go when the lease was up.

Questions:

* why doesn't the dealer adjust the steering box? They never adjusted ours.
* Does Jeep get a credit for defective steering gear assemblies?
* Do they return them?


DaveL
Toronto

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for the posts!

Had real real trouble with the dealer we got our 2019 JLU from.

It was leased; let it go when the lease was up.

Questions:

* why doesn't the dealer adjust the steering box? They never adjusted ours.
* Does Jeep get a credit for defective steering gear assemblies?
* Do they return them?


DaveL
Toronto

If people knew what they were really "adjusting", they'd see why dealers don't do it.
It's a process that no one is following. They are risking the health of the steering gear/steering sector when adjusting that.
Likely they don't know how, and also likely they don't care to remove the steering gear to to the adjustment properly.
You don't just "tighten that screw" until it feels good. No dealer should be touching that.
You first, with the steering gear disconnected, adjust the worm shaft bearing preload, then when that's done, you adjust the over-center force and the spec for that is a combination of the two. So you can't do one unless you do both. And if you tighten that over-center force too much, you will end up wearing out the steering gear faster than normal, or even cause it to bind on center.
Having rebuilt a few steering gear - not going to argue because "I adjusted mine and it works fine" is what I'll hear. Yeah, ok, whatever.

Who knows what Jeep does with the steering gears that get replaced - likely go back to Saginaw or whoever makes them for root cause diagnosis, forensics.

But a dealer adjusting? No way. I don't want them doing that detail work that requires taking things apart, knowing how to use and read a torque wrench, and actually possibly messing it up in the process.

It's very possible that those who are "fixing them" by just tightening a screw (a screw which they have no clue at all what it really does!) are just masking the underlying issue. But it's their truck as long as no one else gets hurt because they make a corner and then can't straighten it back out.

 

[DaveL]

If people knew what they were really "adjusting", they'd see why dealers don't do it.
It's a process that no one is following. They are risking the health of the steering gear/steering sector when adjusting that.
Likely they don't know how, and also likely they don't care to remove the steering gear to to the adjustment properly.
You don't just "tighten that screw" until it feels good. No dealer should be touching that.
You first, with the steering gear disconnected, adjust the worm shaft bearing preload, then when that's done, you adjust the over-center force and the spec for that is a combination of the two. So you can't do one unless you do both. And if you tighten that over-center force too much, you will end up wearing out the steering gear faster than normal, or even cause it to bind on center.
Having rebuilt a few steering gear - not going to argue because "I adjusted mine and it works fine" is what I'll hear. Yeah, ok, whatever.

Who knows what Jeep does with the steering gears that get replaced - likely go back to Saginaw or whoever makes them for root cause diagnosis, forensics.

But a dealer adjusting? No way. I don't want them doing that detail work that requires taking things apart, knowing how to use and read a torque wrench, and actually possibly messing it up in the process.

It's very possible that those who are "fixing them" by just tightening a screw (a screw which they have no clue at all what it really does!) are just masking the underlying issue. But it's their truck as long as no one else gets hurt because they make a corner and then can't straighten it back out.

I appreciate your post. Thanks. And I've learned something valuable.

DaveL
Toronto

 

[chady221]

Try using these...
https://diyrepairmanuals.com/product-category/automotive/jeep/gladiator/

 

[cranbiz]

Try using these...
https://diyrepairmanuals.com/product-category/automotive/jeep/gladiator/

Dude, Did you see what they want for those? $190 for the OM and $280 for the complete set of OM and a QSG. That's total highway robbery. Amazon or eBay will set one up for well under $100

Not to mention, neither of those will help the OP in his issue. A Service Manual would but that requires a subscription to Tech Authority.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Dude, Did you see what they want for those? $190 for the OM and $280 for the complete set of OM and a QSG. That's total highway robbery. Amazon or eBay will set one up for well under $100

Not to mention, neither of those will help the OP in his issue. A Service Manual would but that requires a subscription to Tech Authority.

I question the post anyway........... just seems "off" to me.

Anyway, on those books - you have no real idea of exactly what's included and how current it is. Just looking at some of the torque specs for suspension, specs have changed a bit, and those books wouldn't include some of the most recent information about certain things.
But it matters not as you are correct in that they wouldn't do a thing to resolve the OP's original issue.

 

[cranbiz]

I question the post anyway........... just seems "off" to me.

Anyway, on those books - you have no real idea of exactly what's included and how current it is. Just looking at some of the torque specs for suspension, specs have changed a bit, and those books wouldn't include some of the most recent information about certain things.
But it matters not as you are correct in that they wouldn't do a thing to resolve the OP's original issue.

Yeah, it looks off to me too. Almost reported it. If his other post wasn't benign, I would have.

 

[DaveL]

I question the post anyway........... just seems "off" to me.

Anyway, on those books - you have no real idea of exactly what's included and how current it is. Just looking at some of the torque specs for suspension, specs have changed a bit, and those books wouldn't include some of the most recent information about certain things.
But it matters not as you are correct in that they wouldn't do a thing to resolve the OP's original issue.

I should have checked the number of posts....
I am a photographer; I participate in photo forums. I've learned to check there. Pick the wrong one and you fall into a rabbit hole.

Dave

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