Stellantis sells VM Motori...

[PlayfulBird]

crate

There are def more eco diesels available and they are still somewhat affordable...
Their 2.2 had a bad design or bad seal material choice, depending on how one looks at it... mate was able to repair his damaged one... it cost a lot, and he still has the order live from a year ago for a replacement engine. 22 000 Euro. I know it is Jeep and Ibknow it is EU, but still... we are seeing similar problems with the old 2.8 which was solid and a workhorse, but components are insane...
If I had known I would have defnitely started pulling engines and parts sooner...

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[GladiatorPilot23]

So far, VM Motori has continued to build crate engines. And so far, the engine builders have been able to source parts from Europe. The aftermarket is starting to step up as well. As @PlayfulBird alluded to, it's not a bad idea to stock up on parts if you plan to keep your EcoDiesels for 15+ years.

My 2015 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is now 10 years old. So far, it still runs perfectly, but I might buy a crate engine sooner than later. I think crate engines can sit for 7 years without too much concern, assuming it's stored properly.

I don't ever see myself replacing an engine with the way I care for it.

What parts would be good to buy you think in case?

 

[PlayfulBird]

I don't ever see myself replacing an engine with the way I care for it.

What parts would be good to buy you think in case?

Often it is a numbers game, and some people are unlucky and have the one that will fail... that being said, the engines all have insane tight tolerances and are made of materials that when it goes, it goes badly.
I am no expert, but I would see what bargains I can make,... maybe get some low miles write offs or something.
Having parts that wear is probably not wrong, but hard to say, often you need to know that exact engines tolerances etc, so unless you get a load, you may swtill always miss out... maybe there is some knowledge in the eco taredowns etc

One thing I can tell you 100%, care is great, but it is not only thing, especially in egnines with these tight tolerances and so many systems... there is some luck and keeping up with things before they go bad... like the bosch pumps in the grand cherokees, but they are also going due to cam wear and other failure points we are now seeing. Nothing to do with oil changes... can just say what I am seeing.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

These aren't bespoke engines made up of custom one off parts. They are made up of parts multiple other engines use. There will be no shortage of replacements for the life of the vehicle.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

so i can get parts for my diesel in the future.

If the future is 15-20 years from now, wouldn't count on it.

 

[PlayfulBird]

These aren't bespoke engines made up of custom one off parts. They are made up of parts multiple other engines use. There will be no shortage of replacements for the life of the vehicle.

Well in Germany and EU we are struggling to get parts for JK 2.8 VM and JL2.2 VM Engines,... not to mention we are paying insane cost on the parts that do exist when they make it through the distribution network of Jeep, as they have a firm grip on supply. I suspect the 3.0 will not be different

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Oil coolers, HPFP, injectors, injector line seals.

All things one would need long term.

 

[Badunit]

Sounds like a lot of things these days. if you like whatever it is you better buy several because they'll quit making it soon and you won't be able to get a new one or replacement parts. It will either go away altogether or be replaced with something inferior. I experience this mostly with household/consumer devices and products (things you can sometimes afford to buy several of and store them until needed) but it applies to so much more. I can't imagine buying an extra engine or a load of extra engine parts, trying to guess what might go bad.

 

[rharr]

Well in Germany and EU we are struggling to get parts for JK 2.8 VM and JL2.2 VM Engines,... not to mention we are paying insane cost on the parts that do exist when they make it through the distribution network of Jeep, as they have a firm grip on supply. I suspect the 3.0 will not be different

Well the good thing with the 3.0 is it's a common marine platform, so that should carry some of the parts further. I won't hold my breath on emissions stuff...

 

[Jteakus]

When this engine sings its last song it will be replaced with a Chevy LS7

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Well in Germany and EU we are struggling to get parts for JK 2.8 VM and JL2.2 VM Engines,... not to mention we are paying insane cost on the parts that do exist when they make it through the distribution network of Jeep, as they have a firm grip on supply. I suspect the 3.0 will not be different

Sounds like things just got better then, now that Jeep is out of the way.

 

[Dougstdig]

If the time ever came, is replacing the 3.0diesel with a 392 doable (legal). I mean, I’ve already got the transmission and transfer case to America’s most wanted uses for their 392 built.I

 

[Dougstdig]

When this engine sings its last song it will be replaced with a Chevy LS7

I’m like you and actually much prefer the GM motors but the issues they’ve had with theirs since 2020 or 21 or unmatched.

 

[biodiesel]

I don't ever see myself replacing an engine with the way I care for it.

Keep in mind that the EcoDiesel has a B10 life of 150,000 miles. In theory, 10% of all 3rd gen EcoDiesels will either fail or require a major repair by 150,000 miles. In essence, we can consider 150,000 miles at the first milestone. Failures will increase at 200,000, 250,000, 300,000, 350,000, 400,000, 450,000, 500,000, etc. Life expectancy is on a bell-shaped curve, we just don't know where the top of the curve is. So far, the highest mileage Gen 2 EcoDiesel I've seen has 578,393 miles and the highest mileage Gen 3 has about 275,000 miles.

What parts would be good to buy you think in case?

It's really hard to know what you might need. All three of my EcoDiesels are bone stock (emissions compliant), so I'm obviously going to have issues with EGR coolers, sensors, DEF pumps, Intakes, etc. I've stocked up on those types of parts.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Keep in mind that the EcoDiesel has a B10 life of 150,000 miles. In theory, 10% of all 3rd gen EcoDiesels will either fail or require a major repair by 150,000 miles. In essence, we can consider 150,000 miles at the first milestone. Failures will increase at 200,000, 250,000, 300,000, 350,000, 400,000, 450,000, 500,000, etc. Life expectancy is on a bell-shaped curve, we just don't know where the top of the curve is. So far, the highest mileage Gen 2 EcoDiesel I've seen has 578,393 miles and the highest mileage Gen 3 has about 275,000 miles.



It's really hard to know what you might need. All three of my EcoDiesels are bone stock (emissions compliant), so I'm obviously going to have issues with EGR coolers, sensors, DEF pumps, Intakes, etc. I've stocked up on those types of parts.

Looking at the highest mileage examples is about as useful as looking at the lowest mileage major failures. If we do that all we know is you'll get somewhere between 10k miles and 500k+.

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