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[Jobofly]

Their demands are crazy-32 hour week with a 40% pay increase. For what? Most of their job is watching automation or putting a couple bolts on with the help of a robot arm. Today's factory workers do not have to be as skilled as the ones a couple decades ago. If I was the CEO I would consent to the 32 hour week and classify them all as part-time employees and not allowed any benefits, then don't budge.

Its a 36% increase over 4 years. Not 40% and not all up front. 9% increase each year.

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[mtoddsolomon]

This is a tough one, they shot the price of the vehicles up ALOT and did not raise the pay. Honestly they should raise the pay inline with the increase of the price of the vehicles they are selling. They might be shooting low considering the MSRP we are seeing lately.

I disagree with this. I work in new home construction and while on the consumer front that looks correct, the cost of materials and logistics has increased which has caused the price increases. Simply paying workers the same amount is only going to increase the price of vehicles even more. This is why prices are so inflated for everything, and why living in Union areas is so much more expensive than non union areas.

I once had a guy that worked for me as a loader operator. He was originally from Detroit and kept complaining that if he were in Detroit he could make $35 an hour on that loader vs the $12 he made now. I finally asked him why didn't he just go back up there and drive a loader, he said well it's so much more expensive to live up there. You can't pay everyone more and expect the cost of living to stay the same.

 

[Jobofly]

It cracks me up how the Jeep crowd is all "USA! USA!" Pretending to be patriotic, blue collar, "I'll never buy foreign!", until their fellow blue collar Americans want to improve their living situation. Then it's all "f**k those guys, bunch of bums should be happy with what they get"

I don't know why y'all love the billionaires and corporations so much, they don't care about you at all.

100% agree with this

 

[Great Offender]

Elon Musk has shown that with true innovation vehicles can be made more cheaply and better.

Most Tesla's haven't had an update in a decade and we are all still waiting on that abomination called the "Cyber Truck"

if the Union gets their way the big 3 may go bankrup

The big 3 are drowning in cash so why can't they spread their good fortune instead of pushing all the profits to the top and their shareholders. Can't the working man get a break?

I will say that the top tier of auto executives are getting paid outrageous sums and stupid bonuses even when their companies are not doing well.

You just made my second point. If the people at the top are getting "outrageous sums" it's even more reason to pay LABOR their share!
Or they can all move their plants down south to "Right to Work" states and pay them fast food wages. Do you think it's a coincidence that so many auto manufacturers are building plants there?

 

[Jobofly]

People don't know how screwed we actually are. The only thing keeping us afloat is immigration, our birth rate is about 2.3 (and dropping) barely a replacement rate.

China is done, their birth rate is way less than 2 and South Korea's rate is less than one.

As time moves on we will have less and less workers and more open positions. The demographic pyramid is upside down...

This is totally accurate. But you just cant explain this to some people as they cant see past their nose.

 

[KC_H]

This is totally accurate. But you just cant explain this to some people as they cant see past their nose.

The other interesting piece of that discussion is that we will top out at a global population of about 10 billion and then start a precipitous drop from there...

 

[Deleted member 57233]

from the guy who is putting them out of work.

Progress is putting them out of work, I'm just a guy that saw the writing on the wall 10 years ago and said "I'd rather be the person automating the jobs than the person who's job is getting automated"

 

[ecidiego]

Progress is putting them out of work, I'm just a guy that saw the writing on the wall 10 years ago and said "I'd rather be the person automating the jobs than the person who's job is getting automated"

One funny thing - programmers wrote code to automate and obsolete blue collar - now AI is automating them and obsoleting white collar. Always watch your 6!

 

[Alpine Warthog]

It cracks me up how the Jeep crowd is all "USA! USA!" Pretending to be patriotic, blue collar, "I'll never buy foreign!", until their fellow blue collar Americans want to improve their living situation. Then it's all "f**k those guys, bunch of bums should be happy with what they get"

I don't know why y'all love the billionaires and corporations so much, they don't care about you at all.

Says the guy who's job it is to literally put the american worker out of a job and improve the bottom line for the people he's currently railing against.

According to Glassdoor, the UAW generates $100-$500 MILLION a year! Why is a union making money at all? They've made it a business to fleece other companies. You want to talk about passing the money to the workers, how about make the union non-profit, employee owned and take the 100-500 down to zero and start padding the employee's pockets? Nobody's talking about the extortion and theft that the union itself is.....

The Average salary for an employee at Cummins (Factory closest to me in Jamestown Ny and a name I know most of you know) is $88 THOUSAND in a area where the median HOUSEHOLD income is $34 thousand.

 

[ecidiego]

Remember when they said "learn to code!!"?

Now you can say "learn to weld!!" to them!

 

[Casique]

Uhhhmm, sounds like we need more Robots!

 

[Alpine Warthog]

The other interesting piece of that discussion is that we will top out at a global population of about 10 billion and then start a precipitous drop from there...

Remember when they said "learn to code!!"?

Now you can say "learn to weld!!" to them!

This is going to be very interesting to watch. We are going to see a shifting of jobs in the coming years. We're seeing a drop in workers and population. With automation and AI you're going to see those jobs get filled with machines. It is certainly possible we could eventually program and automate every single job in the world and at that point the robots are doing everything from mining to refinement to transportation to manufacturing and maintenance. We're already programming these machines to do self diagnosis, ordering replenishment and before long they'll be doing field repairs too. Once we automate everything from resource gathering to end of life recycling its only a matter of connecting those systems together before humans are completely unneeded.
You can't have a society of ONLY consumers because those consumers need a way to get paid in order to consume. SO we'd better hope somebody programs the need to make room for humans and they don't start to look at us as a cause of corrosion ?

 

[bleda2002]

The coders that are going to be out of a job will be the outsourced low level monkeys at least any time in the near future. The higher level actual engineers and architects will continue to have jobs, just using more AI to do the lower level work for them. The hard part will be replacing the engineers as they age out since the low level coding is where the experience comes from

 

[GHWillys]

This is going to be very interesting to watch. We are going to see a shifting of jobs in the coming years. We're seeing a drop in workers and population. With automation and AI you're going to see those jobs get filled with machines. It is certainly possible we could eventually program and automate every single job in the world and at that point the robots are doing everything from mining to refinement to transportation to manufacturing and maintenance. We're already programming these machines to do self diagnosis, ordering replenishment and before long they'll be doing field repairs too. Once we automate everything from resource gathering to end of life recycling its only a matter of connecting those systems together before humans are completely unneeded.
You can't have a society of ONLY consumers because those consumers need a way to get paid in order to consume. SO we'd better hope somebody programs the need to make room for humans and they don't start to look at us as a cause of corrosion ?

Skynet.
Hopefully Arnold is still around to save us from the T1000.

 

[AZCooWhip]

I’m going to continue to hold out hope for the Star Trek style food replicator. ?

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