TAZER installation.... Loosing mind....

[ShadowsPapa]

done
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[IamPro2A]

Get Jscan and make the tire size and gear ratio changes before marrying the Tazer.

Or if you feel you need to remove the Tazer, just don't unmarry it, and it will retain the non-live functions like tire size, same as if it was programmed with Jscan.
Unmarrying it is more a cover your @ss thing for Tazer; if you would not revert any changes you made with Jscan or AlfaOBD before going to the dealer, then there is no reason to unmarry the Tazer for a dealer visit.

 

[Rhinebeck01]

Or if you feel you need to remove the Tazer, just don't unmarry it, and it will retain the non-live functions like tire size, same as if it was programmed with Jscan.
Unmarrying it is more a cover your @ss thing for Tazer; if you would not revert any changes you made with Jscan or AlfaOBD before going to the dealer, then there is no reason to unmarry the Tazer for a dealer visit.

@IamPro2A
Hope Tazer user's do their homework and not take for granted the misinformation you spew..

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Your doing your homework will teach you....

Always unmarry the Tazer JL before any dealership visit... also remove the Tazer JL and be sure to you reconnect the Security Gateway... Yes, even if you are just bringing the vehicle in for an oil change, etc..

If you leave the Tazer JL married and drop the vehicle off at the dealership ..... and if the Tech there uses the wiTECH 2 to perform a PCM reflash to incorporate a Stellantis recommended software update(s), the wiTECH 2 will overwrite everything the Tazer JL had set previously.

Yes, even when dropped off for just an oil change, very often a Tech will hook up the vehicle to the wiTECH 2.... especially if the dealership work load is light and the Tech is looking for $/for work.

-->But an even bigger issue... is that when you do your next Tazer JL, unmarry in the future.... your JT/JL would/could lose whatever new update(s) done the last time at the dealership.....and all would be returned back to the original settings. This being done can cause big issues to include leaving the JT/JL, unusable. To get things corrected would not be covered under factory warranty.

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[IamPro2A]

@IamPro2A
Hope Tazer user's do their homework and not take for granted the misinformation you spew..

...........
Your doing your homework will teach you....

Always unmarry the Tazer JL before any dealership visit... also remove the Tazer JL and be sure to you reconnect the Security Gateway... Yes, even if you are just bringing the vehicle in for an oil change, etc..

If you leave the Tazer JL married and drop the vehicle off at the dealership ..... and if the Tech there uses the wiTECH 2 to perform a PCM reflash to incorporate a Stellantis recommended software update(s), the wiTECH 2 will overwrite everything the Tazer JL had set previously.

Yes, even when dropped off for just an oil change, very often a Tech will hook up the vehicle to the wiTECH 2.... especially if the dealership work load is light and the Tech is looking for $/for work.

-->But an even bigger issue... is that when you do your next Tazer JL, unmarry in the future.... your JT/JL would/could lose whatever new update(s) done the last time at the dealership.....and all would be returned back to the original settings. This being done can cause big issues to include leaving the JT/JL, unusable. To get things corrected would not be covered under factory warranty.

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And REALLY doing your homework would tell you that the firmware doesn't know if Tazer, Jscan, AlfaOBD or wiTECH made the parameter changes, so if an update is going to overwrite settings the vehicle owner made, it's going to be the same if it was done by a Tazer or Jscan, or AlfaOBD.
Tazer added this years ago. Digitally, there is no reason to remove it. The only reason is if you have a dealer who would void a warranty because of it. And that's the same dealer that would void it for your tires and lift anyway.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Some tests look for the SGW to be there.......

 

[IamPro2A]

Some tests look for the SGW to be there.......

I may be remembering wrong, but I believe as far as the vehicle is concerned, the Tazer appears to be the SGW. I guess if the SGW is firmware updateable there might be an issue if they tried to do that...

 

[IamPro2A]

I kinda wish we were having this discussion a day sooner. Spent a solid hour plus at my dealer yesterday mostly bs'ing muscle cars and jeep mods while signing all the paperwork for the new Wrangler. The service manger has a heavily modded Gladiator.

 

[Rhinebeck01]

I may be remembering wrong, but I believe as far as the vehicle is concerned, the Tazer appears to be the SGW. I guess if the SGW is firmware updateable there might be an issue if they tried to do that...

@IamPro2A

Most that have read my, rhinebeck01, ZAutomotive posts on the JL related forum going back to 2018 (JT sister forum) know that I worked with Joe early in 2018 when he brought to life the Tazer JL. I started with the original Tazer JL and Joe gave me a Tazer JL Mini to work with /test with.

In closing, I'll say no more in this thread.. .... I'm not wanting to argue or debate this Tazer related stuff. Just want to get correct info out there... I encourage all to do their homework before you take for gospel posts on the forum.. even my posts.

Of course, you can always message Ian or Joe at ZAutomotive and ask if what I posted is misinformation.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Or if you feel you need to remove the Tazer, just don't unmarry it, and it will retain the non-live functions like tire size, same as if it was programmed with Jscan.
Unmarrying it is more a cover your @ss thing for Tazer; if you would not revert any changes you made with Jscan or AlfaOBD before going to the dealer, then there is no reason to unmarry the Tazer for a dealer visit.

The changes made with Jscan and AlfaOBD are options in the computer that are designed to be changed. The connection is only long enough to make the changes, and they are not things that you would revert before going to the dealer.

The Tazer is meant to stay connected and rides on the bus to be able to override the computer for the 'live' features. It can also make the changes that Jscan and AlfaOBD make.

A problem with the Tazer is removing it while leaving it married. This keeps the changes to the computer in place, but if the dealer does a computer update access to the Tazer can be lost and assistance from ZAutomotive is required to get it working again.

The Tazer is great, for what it does, but not something I would ever buy. In six years of JT ownership, I have not yet found a need for anything it offers.

 

[Supazuk]

Just an FYI….for ya’ll who live in a state with yearly inspections & emissions testing.
I learned……when you reboot (and/or unmarry) the Tazer, it resets/removes all the emissions data.
I took the Tazer out (unmarry, reboot, etc) the night before I took it to the dealer for inspection & emissions. They couldn’t perform the emissions test cuz the data was reset when I rebooted the Tazer. I had to re-schedule and go back 2 weeks later - while driving it to create ‘drive cycles’ to gather emissions data.

For next year…..I’ll probably talk to a local mechanic for inspections. From what I understand, I could leave the Tazer in place for the inspection.

that good to know I'm gonna skip the dealer and go to my buddys shop

 

[Lost1wing]

I mistakenly had my JT at the dealer shortly after purchase to correct the crappy audio out over Bluetooth. Dealer did an update that didn't correct the issue but put the JT in the middle of the Gulf of America. The attempted to do the update again but that ended up bricking the radio. I ended up with a new used radio and the same crappy audio out (bluetooth phone) that I started with. This was all done before I had installed Tazer.

Dealers don't need Tazers to screw up a firmware/software upgrade, they just need something to blame it on. So why leave it installed and or married? Don't give the dealer something to blame it on.

Since I have installed my Tazer, the JT was at the dealer twice. Steering Gear and a rear window leak. Both times I told the service writer," no updates". He laughed because he must have remembered the radio issue. Then I told him about the Tazer being installed. He said that they look for it when they plug in. If they don't see the SGW, they know to look for a bypass of some sort. I guess that just depends on the dealer.

 

[JTGuy]

I just got my Tazer extension cable. Will install it ASAP. The dealer wants to do a re flash to possibly correct the Reverse gear clunk. I'll have to remove and un marry the Tazer. Then it will have different gears and tire size in the jeep from what is really there,,, 4.10 vs 4.88 and 32 vs 36.5. What will happen if they drive it like that. Then I have to re program back in all the changes,,,, really a pain.

 

[Rhinebeck01]

I just got my Tazer extension cable. Will install it ASAP. The dealer wants to do a re flash to possibly correct the Reverse gear clunk. I'll have to remove and un marry the Tazer. Then it will have different gears and tire size in the jeep from what is really there,,, 4.10 vs 4.88 and 32 vs 36.5. What will happen if they drive it like that. Then I have to re program back in all the changes,,,, really a pain.

@JTGuy

Do take a minute to read through this thread... You'd be surprised how many guys/gals use the ZAutomotive security gateway extension incorrectly..
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/-security-gateway-extension-cable-use-explained-.111159/


Oh ..... Just unmarry, remove the Tazer JL and reconnect the security gateway.

IF your JT were to then go into low range, your JT would simply get an EVIC message but the JT would not go into limp mode, etc... It is unlike say a JK that would have a real pissy fit if you did this.

Note.. Hopefully, that dealership Tech will not use low range, considering what you are taking the Jeep in for.

DO after you get through this thing.... research on the JL Wrangler forum/my past posts about having what I call a hybrid approach... You have and enjoy the Tazer JL that is terrific and has great features, but you do your gear settings and tire size with JSCAN. This way when you unmarry the Tazer JL, you do not lose your tire size and gear settings..

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[JTGuy]

So great I have to get something else to correct what the Tazer will do. So it's a Jscan to set the gears and tires so the Tazer won't have to.
The idea of the extension cable is to make plugging and un plugging the SG cables easy. I do know that the Tazer must be unmarried and removed if the dealer is going to touch the OBD port or any other program . I have fallen down the rabbit hole.

 

[Rhinebeck01]

So great I have to get something else to correct what the Tazer will do. So it's a Jscan to set the gears and tires so the Tazer won't have to.
The idea of the extension cable is to make plugging and un plugging the SG cables easy. I do know that the Tazer must be unmarried and removed if the dealer is going to touch the OBD port or any other program . I have fallen down the rabbit hole.

@JTGuy

Well, if you want to enjoy / use a Tazer JL with less bother... you should address certain things..

You use JSCAN for gearing and tire size so you don't have to deal with say bother/issues/headaches when going into the dealership for work that as you know, requires the unmarrying of the Tazer JL on your JT which results in gear and tire settings being undone.

There is no marry with JSCAN as there is with the Tazer JL.

A $25 JSCAN license and an inexpensive JSCAN recommended BT Scan Tool is all you need. You use your unmarried Tazer JL for the security gateway bypass module. I should mention, JSCAN is way way easier to use then doing feature selections with the Tazer JL.

-Hope you read how to properly use the ZAutomotive security gateway extension cable.

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