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I get it, but is this more of a solution looking for a problem? Maybe I’m just “trained” to be in 4lo the entire time I’m off-road. Maybe with this tech, I’d change my behavior and shift in and out on the trail. IDK, maybe someone can edumicate me on a practical application for this.
 
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They don't do research or spend the big bucks getting patents, R&D and so on if there wasn't a demand.
Apparently, or obviously, some people use their Jeeps differently than those here.
I pretty much have to stop mine to get it to shift, then it's not an easy shift.
I've also found myself in a situation where I never expected to even need that shift - but it was necessary to get me going again.
 

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Yeah, I’m sure there are situations. For me, once I’m at the trailhead, it’s 4lo. I shift in and out of 4hi a lot, but that’s for snow and gravel. I’d prefer less tech on my vehicle but that ship sailed years ago.
 

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In 10 years we may all remember when you used to have to change the transfer-case gear manually.

I'm kind-of old fashioned, but as far as I'm concerned, the more electronics in a vehicle the worse it is for us old guys who grew up with carburetors and points.
 

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Yeah, I’m sure there are situations. For me, once I’m at the trailhead, it’s 4lo. I shift in and out of 4hi a lot, but that’s for snow and gravel. I’d prefer less tech on my vehicle but that ship sailed years ago.
Maybe we wheel very different terrains, but most "trails" I've ever been on dont require 4lo for even half the time. The rubicon transfer case recommends not exceeding 25mph in 4lo. There's no way I'm running dirt road sections that slow. Even the rubicon trail I'm out of 4lo once past observation point. Dirt roads don't need 4lo.
 

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Is it a poorly written article or did they patent a transmission with a built in low range? The article references an electric motor syncing engine and TRANSMISSION speeds and shifting the TRANSMISSION into low range? No mention of a transfer case? You'd need to sync transmission and tcase speeds to shift into 4lo on the fly. Is it an automatic transmission with an ultra low crawler 1st gear that allows shifting on the fly thanks to rev matching?
 

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In 10 years we may all remember when you used to have to change the transfer-case gear manually.

I'm kind-of old fashioned, but as far as I'm concerned, the more electronics in a vehicle the worse it is for us old guys who grew up with carburetors and points.
I remember having to get out to lock the front hubs before shifting into 4HI. Doesn't seem that long ago, but I guess it was decades! LOL!
 

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Is it a poorly written article or did they patent a transmission with a built in low range? The article references an electric motor syncing engine and TRANSMISSION speeds and shifting the TRANSMISSION into low range? No mention of a transfer case? You'd need to sync transmission and tcase speeds to shift into 4lo on the fly. Is it an automatic transmission with an ultra low crawler 1st gear that allows shifting on the fly thanks to rev matching?
It isn't that the article is poorly written, it is written by a writer and not a technician. It is a description of the patent summary interpreted by the writer and re-written at a fifth grade level. The author probably has no understanding that a transfer case is even a thing. The article also starts with " advancement in hybrid off-road vehicles " and the figure b. of the article clearly results in 'electric motor command torque' as the final output. It definitely is automatic transmission only.
 

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I remember having to get out to lock the front hubs before shifting into 4HI. Doesn't seem that long ago, but I guess it was decades! LOL!
I had a 1995 Ford F-150 (older box style) that had manual locking front hubs. By then "shift on the fly" hubs had been around for about 15 years. That F-150 was my last vehicle with manual locking hubs. So about 30 years, yes decades.
 

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They don't do research or spend the big bucks getting patents, R&D and so on if there wasn't a demand.
It seems that you aren't really familiar with the patent process. As the holder of multiple international patents through a major corporation, I can assure you that patents are issued without "big bucks" being spent. Also, demand for something may have little impact on a company's desire to patent it. Sometimes, the company just wants to protect their 'invention' while they figure out what to do with it.
 
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It seems that you aren't really familiar with the patent process. As the holder of multiple international patents through a major corporation, I can assure you that patents are issued without "big bucks" being spent. Also, demand for something may have little impact on a company's desire to patent it. Sometimes, the company just wants to protect their 'invention' while they figure out what to do with it.
Yes, and no. I worked for CCC - next to the guy who handled their patent applications, as well as a few yards away from one of their biggest patent holders for the company.
True that you can patent something to protect it (the process still takes time and money), but there are also times that a lot of R&D does go into it to see if it's actually viable, while starting the patent process.

We had to watch word wrap, page configuration, etc.
Spent a lot of time making sure the software and printers on each end would produce identical results.

So yeah, they could be doing this just to protect it. That's one reason to patent something.

CCC had a whole lot of patents, some were to prevent others from using an idea, others were for the actual processes, software and hardware.
I got to see the whole process - R&D through patent, and worked with the QA guy, ISO training, etc.

Would be nice to have the ability to shift while unable to move the Jeep, though.
One winter I struggled to get my truck shifted when trying to pull my trailer out of its parking spot one winter. It had frozen down, the snow was deep. I was all hooked up, it was all up-hill, gravel under the snow, so I was in 4H figuring it should be good to go, being an automatic. It wasn't fun at all to get a truck, basically that could not move, into 4L to get the trailer broke loose. I eventually got it shifted and it pulled the trailer out of the deep snow and broke the tires loose, but damn, it was hard to shift sitting still and I didn't feel like disconnecting, moving the truck to shift into 4L, then hooking up again in the cold and snow.



GM has patented an internal, self draining "catch can" for their DI engines.
Betcha that one comes from necessity.
 

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I had a 1995 Ford F-150 (older box style) that had manual locking front hubs. By then "shift on the fly" hubs had been around for about 15 years. That F-150 was my last vehicle with manual locking hubs. So about 30 years, yes decades.
TBF manual hubs, although inconvenient, were far superior to early automatic hubs. My 1990 4Runner had autos- I swapped them for OEM Toyota Aisin manual hubs I found in a junk yard and gained 1 MPG from it. Turns out that unlocking it properly disengaged the CVs, causing less rolling resistance. Pretty sure Ford still puts them on the SuperDuty's, too.
 

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TBF manual hubs, although inconvenient, were far superior to early automatic hubs. My 1990 4Runner had autos- I swapped them for OEM Toyota Aisin manual hubs I found in a junk yard and gained 1 MPG from it. Turns out that unlocking it properly disengaged the CVs, causing less rolling resistance. Pretty sure Ford still puts them on the SuperDuty's, too.
I worked at a Jeep/Pontiac/Renault dealership in my High school days. I remember the time we did a parts inventory purge. I was shocked at all the stuff we were told to chuck. Things that were sitting unsold for years on the shelves. The craziest thing I saw was manual Warn locking hubs BNIB in the trash . I'm talking complete assemblies.
Couldn't believe it.
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