Water in Transmission from 4WD'ing, is this covered under manufacturer Car Warranty?

[ShadowsPapa]

If jeep fixes this, and I don’t think they will or should, than more people will plow through water this deep and deeper and make warranty claims. Its makes more sense for them not to cover going past limits. Thats why they have them.

And I still believe we don't know everything - but I do see a pattern suggesting a lot of unsaid stuff. It takes some really hellish, constantly hellish, crazy braking and extreme use to wear out brake pads to the metal in 30,000 miles, and not a word about fronts.
I'd not expect any person doing an inspection at 20-30,000 miles to bother with brake inspections - they do, and they send me videos, but I'd be alarmed as heck if I saw my rear pads gone in 30K miles. I'd expect someone was trying to do brake stands with it or riding the brakes the whole time they drove it.
Even among the other members, it would seem to me that most get 50,000 miles out of brake pads, even off-roading.

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[troverman]

How in the world do you wear brake pads that fast??
48,000 kilometers is roughly 29,000-30,000 miles and there's no way without some serious hard-ass use, or abuse, that you are going to go through brake pads that fast.
If mine was in for a 30,000 mile check, I'd not expect them to bother with brakes, even towing, I'm not going to go through brake pads that bloody fast.
This, sorry, points to some really excessively hard use.
Rear pads down to metal? Yet it's the fronts that do 60% of the braking - naw, things just aren't adding up.

For kicks - who here in the states has gone through brake pads so fast that the rears were down to metal at 32,000 miles??
And if so, what the bloody hell were you doing??

48,000km + 2,900km ~= 50,900km which is ~ 31,600 miles

That means the rear pads, doing 40% of the braking, were down to metal in under 32,000 miles for us yanks.
So what about the front pads?
Sorry, there's just something about this that suggests use beyond 'Jeep use' - more aligned with abuse.

A family member's 2018 VW Tiguan needed its rear brake pads replaced at 15k miles. It does happen. If @adamjedgar is off road a lot, the brake-based traction control might be applying the rear brakes more often than you expect.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A family member's 2018 VW Tiguan needed its rear brake pads replaced at 15k miles. It does happen. If @adamjedgar is off road a lot, the brake-based traction control might be applying the rear brakes more often than you expect.

You turn that off when doing severe off-road stuff.
There's a pattern here - and it smells like rotted whale blubber.
If he's an experienced off-roader, the posts would look a lot different. I smell a lot of inexperience, even abuse.
but you go ahead and justify it all, whatever.

Ask @WILDHOBO about off-roading and braking and checking things over and so on.

 

[troverman]

You turn that off when doing severe off-road stuff.
There's a pattern here - and it smells like rotted whale blubber.
If he's an experienced off-roader, the posts would look a lot different. I smell a lot of inexperience, even abuse.
but you go ahead and justify it all, whatever.

Ask @WILDHOBO about off-roading and braking and checking things over and so on.

Really? How much off-road driving experience do you have? Traction control can be quite useful, especially if you don't feel like using a diff lock for every wheel slip event. Jeep's programming in my experience is better than most.

Aside from that, if you frequently encounter mud / water, it's common for dirt / silt / rocks to accumulate between the backing plate and the disc, or in the caliper area. This acts as an abrasive which can wear brakes quickly.

I think you are looking at this whole thing from the perspective of someone not using their vehicle in an off-road environment routinely. My old Range Rover which I referenced earlier was used extensively off road and one thing that happened to me was rapid brake wear from mud / dirt / rocks.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Really? How much off-road driving experience do you have? Traction control can be quite useful, especially if you don't feel like using a diff lock for every wheel slip event. Jeep's programming in my experience is better than most.

Aside from that, if you frequently encounter mud / water, it's common for dirt / silt / rocks to accumulate between the backing plate and the disc, or in the caliper area. This acts as an abrasive which can wear brakes quickly.

I think you are looking at this whole thing from the perspective of someone not using their vehicle in an off-road environment routinely. My old Range Rover which I referenced earlier was used extensively off road and one thing that happened to me was rapid brake wear from mud / dirt / rocks.

I'm looking at it from the perspective that no one else here has really had or complained about these problems, and it appears, again, we're not getting the full story - and dealing with a total amateur at off-roading, actually bordering on full abuse.
I know all about brakes, I know what happens when rocks and sand and grit gets in there, I've serviced IHP cars that had no pad lining left and the rotor's inside surface was totally gone - the pad backing was running on the cooling fins.
If you get winched through deep mud, you should know enough, be smart enough, to wash things out, and inspect the brakes and joints.
And that does not mean a stupid automatic car wash. this means manually washing things out and off. No automatic car wash will take care of extreme use like this.
This points back to very amateur use.

I'll ask again - who here in the states, forum members, has had these problems, and brakes trashed at 30,000 miles, and had no clue any of this was going on?

I see just one person here saying what you are saying.

 

[troverman]

I'm looking at it from the perspective that no one else here has really had or complained about these problems, and it appears, again, we're not getting the full story - and dealing with a total amateur at off-roading, actually bordering on full abuse.
I know all about brakes, I know what happens when rocks and sand and grit gets in there, I've serviced IHP cars that had no pad lining left and the rotor's inside surface was totally gone - the pad backing was running on the cooling fins.
If you get winched through deep mud, you should know enough, be smart enough, to wash things out, and inspect the brakes and joints.
And that does not mean a stupid automatic car wash. this means manually washing things out and off. No automatic car wash will take care of extreme use like this.
This points back to very amateur use.

I'll ask again - who here in the states, forum members, has had these problems, and brakes trashed at 30,000 miles, and had no clue any of this was going on?

I see just one person here saying what you are saying.

Frankly, if you are way off the beaten path and go through a bunch of water / mud, you aren't going to be able to "wash out" the brakes for awhile.

In addition to the family member with the Volkswagen I referenced, I also am aware of a co-worker who bought a 2015 Mazda CX5 which also required rear brake pads at very low mileage. You are right that it doesn't seem to be a problem here on the forum, at least that people are reporting.
My Jeep will be going in for its annual state safety / emissions inspection next month. I'll specifically ask the mechanic to let me know how the rear brake pads are looking, as they will definitely be pulling wheels off to perform this inspection. I've done a small amount of off-road driving, a lot of snow driving (with traction control and stability control intervention pretty frequent), as well as a fair amount of heavy towing (for this vehicle anyway) last year.

 

[AstroZombie]

you are on your own, no excuse, they told you over and over, you brought it on by ignoring the warnings - that's my take on it.

I use something very similar to this everyday when people want me to approve their warranty replacement for their gate opener! We do not hide the facts and make it very clear the operating parameters of our systems and you chose to use it outside the manufacturer's' recommendations. It's not defective, you broke it.

Obviously i am polite as can be.

I hope it all works out for you.

 

[jac04]

I'll ask again - who here in the states, forum members, has had these problems, and brakes trashed at 30,000 miles, and had no clue any of this was going on?

I see just one person here saying what you are saying.

Like troverman said, it happens. I serviced rear brakes on my friend's XTerra Pro4X, and they were gone at about 20k miles. It was a MT vehicle, and the guy drove it like he stole it from day 1. The brake-based traction control was apparently limiting rear wheel slip a lot.

On my 2014 JK, I replaced rear pads at 24k, and I'd estimate they only had another 3-5K left in them.

 

[smlobx]

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[ShadowsPapa]

Like troverman said, it happens. I serviced rear brakes on my friend's XTerra Pro4X, and they were gone at about 20k miles. It was a MT vehicle, and the guy drove it like he stole it from day 1. The brake-based traction control was apparently limiting rear wheel slip a lot.

On my 2014 JK, I replaced rear pads at 24k, and I'd estimate they only had another 3-5K left in them.

I can agree "it happens" but to be shocked by it - and to your point the guy "drove it like he stole it".............. and you checked and replaced your own brake pads.

There's just so much about this that screams that sort of use, and yet shock and surprise when something happens and the lack of his own taking extra care when he's beating on it. (and the comment - it was his work truck? )

If you are constantly pushing something mechanical to or even beyond, typical use, the latter is what I'm betting on here, you don't expect others to watch over it.

I do routine inspections of my own - all hoses, lines, belts, wiring, brakes, suspension and steering for movement, play, proper tightness and more - and I don't abuse it like he does.

I truly suspect an amateur at off-roading and vehicle care when doing such things.
And if not, then he should not be the slightest bit surprised by anything at all he's seeing.

You do your own inspections and basic service work when smacking it around.
Dealer shops are more tuned in to more typical use.

 

[AstroZombie]

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[PuddleJumper]

How in the world do you wear brake pads that fast??
48,000 kilometers is roughly 29,000-30,000 miles and there's no way without some serious hard-ass use, or abuse, that you are going to go through brake pads that fast.
If mine was in for a 30,000 mile check, I'd not expect them to bother with brakes, even towing, I'm not going to go through brake pads that bloody fast.
This, sorry, points to some really excessively hard use.
Rear pads down to metal? Yet it's the fronts that do 60% of the braking - naw, things just aren't adding up.

For kicks - who here in the states has gone through brake pads so fast that the rears were down to metal at 32,000 miles??
And if so, what the bloody hell were you doing??

48,000km + 2,900km ~= 50,900km which is ~ 31,600 miles

That means the rear pads, doing 40% of the braking, were down to metal in under 32,000 miles for us yanks.
So what about the front pads?
Sorry, there's just something about this that suggests use beyond 'Jeep use' - more aligned with abuse.

mini coopers eat rear brakes faster than the front. Its even a standard replacement thing every 20k i believe. The compound on Mini's are super aggressive though and they leave a very noticeable layer of brake dust in as little as 80-100 miles after washing em. definitely should NOT be a thing on a gladiator though. Ima say he got a seized caliper or something.

 

[AstroZombie]

My '89 YJ that had a plugg t-case breather and it would pressurize the t-case and force fluid up teh speedo cable and it would drop that foul smelling oil on my shoes.

My "86 XJ had major clutch master cylinder issues that let it drip clutch fluid on the fuse block. I never had brake lights or dash lights at the same time. That made driving at night fun. If i replaced both fused and hit teh brakes teh dash lights would go out. IF i turned on the lights before i hit the brakes the brake lights would go out. Nice to know Jeep keeps the Quirks going since 1942!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Frankly, if you are way off the beaten path and go through a bunch of water / mud, you aren't going to be able to "wash out" the brakes for awhile.

In addition to the family member with the Volkswagen I referenced, I also am aware of a co-worker who bought a 2015 Mazda CX5 which also required rear brake pads at very low mileage. You are right that it doesn't seem to be a problem here on the forum, at least that people are reporting.
My Jeep will be going in for its annual state safety / emissions inspection next month. I'll specifically ask the mechanic to let me know how the rear brake pads are looking, as they will definitely be pulling wheels off to perform this inspection. I've done a small amount of off-road driving, a lot of snow driving (with traction control and stability control intervention pretty frequent), as well as a fair amount of heavy towing (for this vehicle anyway) last year.

You are helping to make my points - when you use them way beyond typical, even for off-roading, you know what to watch for and expect.
You are on top of things and know what to expect - and deal with it.
My brakes and traction control get a hell of a work-out when I plow snow. And I thoroughly inspect things. This last winter the snows came deep and heavy and I literally brought the truck to a very abrupt stop while I was pushing hard and fast and it literally jerked me forward it stopped so suddenly. That day, I could hear things working at the wheels.
And you can bet, I have crawled around under that thing looking for signs I pushed a bit TOO hard (but then don't expect anything - these frames are good0

I bet you keep watch on things as well - and if your brakes are toast at 40K, you aren't shocked or blame others for not catching it. You know how you use it, and you act accordingly.

You are no beginner (obvious) - and you don't act surprised if things happen (or blame others)

 

[smlobx]

Really? How much off-road driving experience do you have? Traction control can be quite useful, especially if you don't feel like using a diff lock for every wheel slip event. Jeep's programming in my experience is better than most.

Aside from that, if you frequently encounter mud / water, it's common for dirt / silt / rocks to accumulate between the backing plate and the disc, or in the caliper area. This acts as an abrasive which can wear brakes quickly.

I think you are looking at this whole thing from the perspective of someone not using their vehicle in an off-road environment routinely. My old Range Rover which I referenced earlier was used extensively off road and one thing that happened to me was rapid brake wear from mud / dirt / rocks.

Let’s keep this discusssion civil if we can please.
While @ShadowsPapa may not have a tremendous amount off-road experience I’ll step up to the plate and agree with him. I’ve overlanded in fully built rigs (Land Cruisers and Jeeps) in five different continent's over the past 15 years or so and have been in some very difficult situations.
That being said, I find it hard to believe, that unless the bed of your truck is severely overloaded (which given the video evidence from the OP doesn’t appear to be the case) that there would be any significant rear brake degradation. Typically I replace my front brakes twice to every rear change. There is something else going on here….maybe something with the brake bias valve but that’s just conjecture on my part at this point.

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