Why do you like or dislike Auto start stop (ESS)?

[ShadowsPapa]

contradiction much? (tongue in cheek)

So how is that a contradiction?
It works perfectly - and I have learned how to control it as Jeep intended.
Even if I didn't have a clue, even if I couldn't figure it out, it always worked like it should, it would be that I didn't work as I should!
I think people blame the system for their inability to change their habits - the rushing up to stops and slamming on the brakes hard. (and it would explain the 14 mpg some get..........)

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[futzin']

I can't believe this conversation. I revert to my original proposition to give all the engineers one day a month to focus on a workable solution at climate control, of the Earth's climate. This way we can live like we want, address climate, grow the economy. Wtf are engineers doing getting 1% more efficiency out of vehicles when that addresses nothing globally, supposedly the problem being addressed by nonsensical ESS. This tech will be outdated, orphaned, and non-functional prior to the end of vehicle life anyway, making the purchase of the next whole vehicle the only solution, a surely inefficient outcome. End rant. Hey here's a comment dog for ya...

"making the purchase of the next whole vehicle the only solution, a surely inefficient outcome"

like, Like, LIKE so much. A big picture outlook. refreshing. And every (required) nanny marked up to provide maximum profit.

 

[5JeepsAz]

"making the purchase of the next whole vehicle the only solution, a surely inefficient outcome"

like, Like, LIKE so much. A big picture outlook. refreshing. And every (required) nanny marked up to provide maximum profit.

Right?!? I think I'm just pissed that my 7th grade teacher said technology meant everyone got to enjoy life more. Instead it means microanalysis clouded by AI interpretation of how to keep the population inert. God forbid we have another Renaissance. I Kno, I know, let's have a better mousetrap. Please forgive my insolence on this. Dudes argying about the virtue of ESS - but that's ridiculous!

 

[eaglerugby04]

Perhaps, because Park is a pre shutdown mode, and not normally used while sitting at idle. Sop lights and stop and go traffic is more of a short term temporary stop, where Park is long term, and you normally just shut the engine off. In some states, California being one, it is illegal to leave a vehicle parked and engine running.
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I guess I am just used to the prius where that is the first thing it does. It is kind of nice since if you are going to sit somewhere for just a few minutes and want the radio on or are on it call it just shuts the engine and keeps everything going. Know I probably shouldn't compare this to a hybrid too much, but the feature is Identical.

After driving it around today though I did find it is a little more command-able then I initially thought, I have been able to push the brake harder to get it to engage at a true stoplight and ease in more to keep the engine running at a turn.

 

[TrailHiker]

Not really, the Prius or any Hybrid electric vehicle, is designed to run on electric motor mode when going below a set speed or coming to a stop, so the gas engine is going to shut down, but the car remains on and active, in any gear or Park setting. The JT/JL only stop the engine when in gear and stopped with foot on the brake, like you do at a traffic light. Let off the brake, or shift to N or P on the auto trans, and the vehicle restarts.

 

[Freddy4130]

Not really, the Prius or any Hybrid electric vehicle, is designed to run on electric motor mode when going below a set speed or coming to a stop, so the gas engine is going to shut down, but the car remains on and active, in any gear or Park setting. The JT/JL only stop the engine when in gear and stopped with foot on the brake, like you do at a traffic light. Let off the brake, or shift to N or P on the auto trans, and the vehicle restarts.

I have a Lexus CT hybrid and the JT. The stop/start on the Lexus is nearly imperceptible. You can't turn it off. I cannot stand the stop/start on the JT. I know it's fine but it "feels" laggy and unsafe.

 

[futzin']

difference between Lexus and FCA . . .

 

[TrailHiker]

The difference between an electric hybrid and a regular gas only system. I find the engine restarts faster than I can get by foot from the brake to the gas... no lag, no issues.
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[futzin']

that does make sense . . .

 

[canyonrat]

What if the auto start stop "learned" your preference? If you turn it off 10 straight times driving it could stay off. Could that satisfy the government edict?

Sitting at a long light not burning gas is not itself a bad thing. The vehicle overriding my last setting is the main issue I have for this, it can catch you by surprise, or startle others like pedestrians crossing in front of you at a red light. Also for anyone who came up driving a stick, having to re-start your car at a light generally means you screwed up with the clutch and stalled it out. Negative vibes all around.

 

[Freddy4130]

What if the auto start stop "learned" your preference? If you turn it off 10 straight times driving it could stay off. Could that satisfy the government edict?

Sitting at a long light not burning gas is not itself a bad thing. The vehicle overriding my last setting is the main issue I have for this, it can catch you by surprise, or startle others like pedestrians crossing in front of you at a red light. Also for anyone who came up driving a stick, having to re-start your car at a light generally means you screwed up with the clutch and stalled it out. Negative vibes all around.

The government hasn’t mandated the use of these systems. The reason, as I’m told by my father in law who is a GM engineer, is so they can truthfully make their fuel consumption claims.

 

[canyonrat]

The government hasn’t mandated the use of these systems. The reason, as I’m told by my father in law who is a GM engineer, is so they can truthfully make their fuel consumption claims.

My understanding is that the government regulations dictate the off switch must be non-latching. Meaning it turns itself back on continuously. when you turn the vehicle off and back on. That is the pain point.

 

[Freddy4130]

My understanding is that the government regulations dictate the off switch must be non-latching. Meaning it turns itself back on continuously. when you turn the vehicle off and back on. That is the pain point.

I am unaware of any government regulations regarding stop/start. Most cars don't even have it.

 

[canyonrat]

I am unaware of any government regulations regarding stop/start. Most cars don't even have it.

Its not the government dictating you have that feature. It is the fuel economy dictate that the manufacturers can meet more easily by implementing auto start stop on the test courses. Most brand new cars do seem to have it for 2019 or greater.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/

 

[Freddy4130]

Its not the government dictating you have that feature. It is the fuel economy dictate that the manufacturers can meet more easily by implementing auto start stop on the test courses. Most brand new cars do seem to have it for 2019 or greater.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/

Sort of. It is not that they are trying to meet mandated standards for gas mileage. They are trying to be able to claim better gas mileage. The EPA will only allow them to claim the numbers they claim IF the system defaults to the ON position.

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