Looking at used Sport with max tow tomorrow

[BRB Gladi8r]

Ordered my max tow November of 20 got it Jan 6 21 sticker price 42, I have 35’s everything else stock so the 33’s could be on a stock set up. Truck looks clean

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[Gren71]

@JamesWard03

howd it go?

 

[Enduro800]

Did a quick calculation and if the converter is right the 38000 converts to about 52000 CDN. I found this one real easy if you're willing to take a ride...

 

[whiteglad]

I had a 2020 max tow and its tow rating came from the small, light tires, lighter overall weight, plus 4.10s. When you put on big, heavy tires, it isn't max tow anymore. If you go too big, 4.10s aren't enough either. The allure of the max tow package for many of us comes from the presence of 4.10 vs. 3.73, plus the wider axles which make it easier to go to larger tires without rubbing. Consider why the Rubicon and Mojave models have lower tow ratings in spite of their 4.10s. It isn't mostly from the springs, it is probably more from the bigger tires that weigh 62 lb each instead of 34 lb. each and the ability of that little 220 cubic inch engine to drag around a heavy trailer. Just my opinion. . .

 

[JamesWard03]

@JamesWard03

howd it go?

Ended up not going and went to look at a 2021 Mojave with 22k miles. I was surprised how rough it was on the road. It was all stock too. Maybe I’m just spoiled with ride quality coming off a F150 and my wife’s 4Runner. I passed on that one and will try and find a Rubicon to drive after the holiday for comparison.

 

[Gren71]

Ended up not going and went to look at a 2021 Mojave with 22k miles. I was surprised how rough it was on the road. It was all stock too. Maybe I’m just spoiled with ride quality coming off a F150 and my wife’s 4Runner. I passed on that one and will try and find a Rubicon to drive after the holiday for comparison.

I have a sport max tow and the stock ride was fantastic (still is, I’ve just made some small changes). The mojave and rubicon just didn’t feel right to me. You may like the feel of a sport or overland since they’re more road friendly and not purpose tuned for off roading. If you intend to go the bro dozer route and gut the suspension then id just find the best price so youre not throwing money anyway.

 

[ecidiego]

Those wheels and tires are bigger than stock. I wonder if the guy never bothered to update the BCM with the tire size and it's reading high mileage.

 

[ecidiego]

Ended up not going and went to look at a 2021 Mojave with 22k miles. I was surprised how rough it was on the road. It was all stock too. Maybe I’m just spoiled with ride quality coming off a F150 and my wife’s 4Runner. I passed on that one and will try and find a Rubicon to drive after the holiday for comparison.

The Mojave has a softer ride on the road due to its "desert" suspension. A Rubicon won't ride nicer.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

I have a sport max tow and the stock ride was fantastic (still is, I’ve just made some small changes). The mojave and rubicon just didn’t feel right to me. You may like the feel of a sport or overland since they’re more road friendly and not purpose tuned for off roading. If you intend to go the bro dozer route and gut the suspension then id just find the best price so youre not throwing money anyway.

I agree, that's why I bought a base Max Tow, I always change mine. I may or may not end up with lockers. I had them installed on my JKU and I don't think I ever used them once honestly.

Mine also rides great and rode greet stock as well. If you set them up right then you want have any trouble with them riding the way they are supposed to. My buddies got a Mojave and I don't like or dislike how his rides but I can definitely tell a difference.

 

[AHenry014]

Ended up not going and went to look at a 2021 Mojave with 22k miles. I was surprised how rough it was on the road. It was all stock too. Maybe I’m just spoiled with ride quality coming off a F150 and my wife’s 4Runner. I passed on that one and will try and find a Rubicon to drive after the holiday for comparison.

Coming from a 2013 F150 Limited to my JTR, I understand the ride comment. Its just a different animal, and "rides like a Jeep" as some say. It has a lot to do with the solid axle in the front. That said, I am more than pleased with the way my Rubicon rides. Some say the Mojave is the most comfortable gladiator there is, so I am surprised you felt that it rode poorly. Perhaps try the Rubicon on for size (some say the shocks are valves too softly, though I enjoy it) and they try on a max tow rig (some people prefer its ride over the mojave/rubicon). Its all personal preference.

 

[JamesWard03]

Coming from a 2013 F150 Limited to my JTR, I understand the ride comment. Its just a different animal, and "rides like a Jeep" as some say. It has a lot to do with the solid axle in the front. That said, I am more than pleased with the way my Rubicon rides. Some say the Mojave is the most comfortable gladiator there is, so I am surprised you felt that it rode poorly. Perhaps try the Rubicon on for size (some say the shocks are valves too softly, though I enjoy it) and they try on a max tow rig (some people prefer its ride over the mojave/rubicon). Its all personal preference.

It may have been beaten up a bit in it's first year of life and it's been on their lot for a couple months. It also comes with a hard bed cover and both a soft and hard top. I can't see how someone hasn't picked it up yet so I don't think I'm the only one with that opinion. I'm an older Jeep guy and have had 7 of them from a 1976 CJ5 to a 2004 LJ. My current one is the 95 YJ in my pic so I'm definitely used to a rough ride. This one was just a different feel I wasn't expecting from a 21 model. I'm going to drive a new one at some point for some reference.

 

[berb]

Ended up not going and went to look at a 2021 Mojave with 22k miles. I was surprised how rough it was on the road. It was all stock too. Maybe I’m just spoiled with ride quality coming off a F150 and my wife’s 4Runner. I passed on that one and will try and find a Rubicon to drive after the holiday for comparison.

A Rubicon will ride rougher than the Mojave. The smoothest ride you will find is an Overland, but remember it is a Jeep, they are not know for smooth rides.

 

[staying_tuned]

As a few have mentioned, if you have time on your side you can still get anywhere from 4% - 7% off invoice (roughly 13% off MSRP) from a number of dealers in the US by ordering new.

A 2023 Sport S w/ Max Tow (new, built on the Jeep configurator) is $48k including destination. Chop the $6,200 off that for the 6% below invoice and you're only a few k shy of the one you were considering plus you're getting more features since some optional items on a 21 are standard on a 23. With X off invoice still alive and well, it doesn't make sense to buy moderately used unless you're truly getting an absolute steal especially with low/mid quality wheels and tires. Most would actually prefer a set of stock wheels & tires over those, at least they can be moved on craigslist or FB easily. You'd likely have to nearly give these wheels & tires away.

 

[JamesWard03]

As a few have mentioned, if you have time on your side you can still get anywhere from 4% - 7% off invoice (roughly 13% off MSRP) from a number of dealers in the US by ordering new.

A 2023 Sport S w/ Max Tow (new, built on the Jeep configurator) is $48k including destination. Chop the $6,200 off that for the 6% below invoice and you're only a few k shy of the one you were considering plus you're getting more features since some optional items on a 21 are standard on a 23. With X off invoice still alive and well, it doesn't make sense to buy moderately used unless you're truly getting an absolute steal especially with low/mid quality wheels and tires. Most would actually prefer a set of stock wheels & tires over those, at least they can be moved on craigslist or FB easily. You'd likely have to nearly give these wheels & tires away.

Definitely not a bad idea. There's a few dealers locally who have a few 2022s still on the lots and the discounts are starting to hit. Not sure I have the patience to order one from the factory though. I usually want what I want when I want it.

 

[BearFootSam]

As a few have mentioned, if you have time on your side you can still get anywhere from 4% - 7% off invoice (roughly 13% off MSRP) from a number of dealers in the US by ordering new.

A 2023 Sport S w/ Max Tow (new, built on the Jeep configurator) is $48k including destination. Chop the $6,200 off that for the 6% below invoice and you're only a few k shy of the one you were considering plus you're getting more features since some optional items on a 21 are standard on a 23. With X off invoice still alive and well, it doesn't make sense to buy moderately used unless you're truly getting an absolute steal especially with low/mid quality wheels and tires. Most would actually prefer a set of stock wheels & tires over those, at least they can be moved on craigslist or FB easily. You'd likely have to nearly give these wheels & tires away.

Lol, and don't forget that they added that garish windshield sticker to boast about them!

When a used vehicle prices so close to an equivalent new model, consider the potential costs associated with financing (new will get slightly better rates such as they are) and insurance. Most policies have a discount for new vehicles and so on an annual net basis this shifts the balance. Plus, while a new vehicle takes a big depreciation hit, resale four years down the road will be better.

In short, a used vehicle should offer a sizable discount against the cost of an equivalent new model, or you aren't getting a good deal.

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