What can a Mojave on 35s NOT do?

[antwon412]

I did Fins n zthings, and Hells Revenge including Hells Gate and the Staircase when my Mojave had nothing more than 35s and a couple skid plates. Those are what, level six trails? Super easy. They could be done in a stock vehicle.

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[Andy29847]

I did Fins n zthings, and Hells Revenge including Hells Gate and the Staircase when my Mojave had nothing more than 35s and a couple skid plates. Those are what, level six trails? Super easy. They could be done in a stock vehicle.

Fins N’ Things is a 4 on the main route. Some of the side sections are five. There are numerous places where stock vehicles will scrape and drag. The are come grades that approach 30%. It’s a good trail because it is one way. However, there was this one spot where I wanted to turn around. ?

 

[GladLad]

I did Fins n zthings, and Hells Revenge including Hells Gate and the Staircase when my Mojave had nothing more than 35s and a couple skid plates. Those are what, level six trails? Super easy. They could be done in a stock vehicle.

Hell's Gate can be done with just 35s and no lift, and maybe even stock?!? That's all you had to say. Thread done. Mojave on 35s can do everything.

Will I do it? Not if I want to go home with clean pants. But if the truck can, it's good to go.

 

[GladLad]

Fins N’ Things is a 4 on the main route. Some of the side sections are five. There are numerous places where stock vehicles will scrape and drag. The are come grades that approach 30%. It’s a good trail because it is one way. However, there was this one spot where I wanted to turn around. ?

Why that spot, in danger of scraping your paint off? Or it's worse than it looks?

 

[antwon412]

Hell's Gate can be done with just 35s and no lift, and maybe even stock?!? That's all you had to say. Thread done. Mojave on 35s can do everything.

Will I do it? Not if I want to go home with clean pants. But if the truck can, it's good to go.

Hells Gate is technically very easy. It’s just scary! ?

You don’t really need much ground clearance or articulation. My TJ would do it stock. Any stock Jeep could do in in my opinion. Lockers make it easier, but obviously a front locker isn’t needed.

 

[Andy29847]

Why that spot, in danger of scraping your paint off? Or it's worse than it looks?

Movie clips seldom show how scary a section is. It is a steep downhill and most of it is off camber. We studied it before going down to find the “easy” line (note the scrapes on the rocks in the movie). My Gladiator went down without any drama. The pro 4 in the clip only slipped a little. We stayed and helped the next guy(FJ)and he had a spot where his wheeler was sliding down the hill.

Someone mentioned Engineer Pass (Ouray, CO) in a previous post. Here is my fav part of that run. It is the last mile or so and then out to “Oh Point.” The road is great as long as there isn’t too much traffic. The view is extraordinary!

 

[Mbryson]

Pretty happy having a Rubicon on 37" tires vs having a Mojave on 37" tires. I use the front locker quite a bit but I'm replacing my trail Jeep with the JT.

Your experience may vary

For most things my JTR is just fine and a Mojave on 35" would be just fine as well. For some things, I wish I was running 40" tires (but then I'd need axles and blah, blah, blah). For me and my uses, the JTR is a great compromise rig. A Mojave on 37" with a front locker would be the same for me. To me, I think the 37" tire is kind of the limit on the axle strength? Obviously depends on how you use it? For "crawling" (low speed rock trails), I think you're pushing the stock axles with the 37" tires. For desert running at speeds above 25-30 mph, I think the weight of the 37" tires and high speeds are not an awesome combo? Over time, the axles will bend (I'm making an assumption here)

For a lot of things I do, the 35" tires just have to work too hard. Add the wheelbase and rear over hang factors and I feel like the JT platform needs 37" tires to be a moderately good wheeler. If you're talking about running 5 or less rated Moab trails and less, the 35" will be totally fine, maybe even preferred. If you're trying to run a 6 or 7 rated Moab trail (kind of my limit with the JT), you'll want a little more belly height.

Wishing I had 40" tires for this trail.

35" or even 33" tires would be totally fine for this.

 

[cafecito]

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[Stormtroopin]

I did end up going with some BFG 37s a couple months ago only because my raptor buddy was going bigger and gave me a sweet deal on some lightly used BFG 37s.

Mojave’s come with a 1 inch front end lift and wider backspacing on the rims, plus these BFG 37s run small. Haven’t had it loaded down with camping gear but weekend trips to local spots with basic stuff I have had zero rubbing.

 

[Rburns1776]

i dig that red accent piece in the grill. How do you like that front bumper? What brand is it and does it mess with any of the sensors in the front?

Thanks, its a Rugged Ridge Arcus Stubby. No issues with sensors / theres none to relocate in the factory front bumper

 

[GladLad]

Movie clips seldom show how scary a section is. It is a steep downhill and most of it is off camber. We studied it before going down to find the “easy” line (note the scrapes on the rocks in the movie). My Gladiator went down without any drama. The pro 4 in the clip only slipped a little. We stayed and helped the next guy(FJ)and he had a spot where his wheeler was sliding down the hill.

Someone mentioned Engineer Pass (Ouray, CO) in a previous post. Here is my fav part of that run. It is the last mile or so and then out to “Oh Point.” The road is great as long as there isn’t too much traffic. The view is extraordinary!

I gather that. Hells Gate looks scary in driving videos and from the top, but not so bad from the bottom. And hills I've been on look fine, but being on them is another story, whether on foot or in car. Made worse by trying to avoid damage I'm sure.

Speaking of scary, yikes! Engineer Pass. Looks easy, but queasy. Don't think my girlfriend is going to like that.

 

[GladLad]

Pretty happy having a Rubicon on 37" tires vs having a Mojave on 37" tires. I use the front locker quite a bit but I'm replacing my trail Jeep with the JT.

Your experience may vary

For most things my JTR is just fine and a Mojave on 35" would be just fine as well. For some things, I wish I was running 40" tires (but then I'd need axles and blah, blah, blah). For me and my uses, the JTR is a great compromise rig. A Mojave on 37" with a front locker would be the same for me. To me, I think the 37" tire is kind of the limit on the axle strength? Obviously depends on how you use it? For "crawling" (low speed rock trails), I think you're pushing the stock axles with the 37" tires. For desert running at speeds above 25-30 mph, I think the weight of the 37" tires and high speeds are not an awesome combo? Over time, the axles will bend (I'm making an assumption here)

For a lot of things I do, the 35" tires just have to work too hard. Add the wheelbase and rear over hang factors and I feel like the JT platform needs 37" tires to be a moderately good wheeler. If you're talking about running 5 or less rated Moab trails and less, the 35" will be totally fine, maybe even preferred. If you're trying to run a 6 or 7 rated Moab trail (kind of my limit with the JT), you'll want a little more belly height.

Wishing I had 40" tires for this trail.

35" or even 33" tires would be totally fine for this.

Nice rides, hope the JT works well as a replacement for you. Sure it needs to go extra big to compare against a 2dr in some scenarios.

If I was in Utah or similar, I think I'd have to give even more consideration to the Rubicon. Since I'm not I have to consider that those types of trails would be rare trips. And even if I had Rubi on 37s, would I be able to tackle it since the other 364 days out of the year I want able to practice for it. So my limit is likely a 5 rating with experienced assistance.

I'll be sticking with 33-35 for now (says the blind man). If I need to go up to 37s, regear, etc. then I must have found a really fun new hobby and may need to reconsider my base.

Thanks for the info, good to hear from a UT native on what 35s could likely do.

 

[Jefe1018]

Here's my opinion FWIW:

Do nothing​

I have been driving Jeeps since 1983, when I got my first CJ7 (first car too, BTW) and one of the biggest mistakes I see people do (and you've alluded to it) is buy a Jeep, with no experience of what to do with it or how they want to use it, and then start throwing mods at it before they've seen what it can do, how it handles, etc.

I have a little philosophy when I buy my Jeeps; I do very minimal mods until I've worn the first set of tires off. That's partly because I am too lazy to try to sell take off parts but mostly because I want to get the feel of the vehicle, learn how it drives, see where it is lacking before I spend money on the wrong modifications or, at worst, modifications that don't get me what I expected.

In the "before" picture I shared previously, the Gladiator is 8 or 9 months old and still stock. We did many overlanding journeys in that several months to figure out what would make it the rig we enjoyed using. In that picture, we were on the Tabeguache Trail outside of Grand Junction, CO and were really struggling with the suspension, where we hadn't on previous trips with less aggressive trails. By no means was this trail a crawler, it just had a lot of cross axle obstacles that made it very evident that the suspension was not right for the load (BTW, I am currently scaled at just over 200# above GVWR)

IF you do wind up buying a Gladiator, do yourself a favor: hoard your upgrade money like a miser and hold off modding it for six months. Get it out on the trail, load it down (haul a pallet of something for somebody), fill it with all your camping gear and go to the trails even if its just to be on the trails with your typical load. Just avoid the temptation of driving it straight from the dealer's lot to the off-road shop for mods. Figure it out and then build it the way you need it rather than the way you think you need it before knowing you need it that way (<- was that circuitous logic there?).

One other thing you should do: forget you ever heard about this forum. It's dangerous. We will spend your money for you without let or hindrance!!!!

Part of me wishes I would have done this, but I had money burning holes in my pocket!

This guy gets it... Mojave is a more appropriate trim on the Gladiator. Rubicon trim package belongs on the Wrangler

 

[GOT FLOYD]

That's fair. Mine is a daily driver too, but I don't drive it to work. Unless you call driving to DTW once every 1-2 months to fly, commuting. Yay - working from home.

IMO, Gladiators should come with 35s stock. Anything less and they look like they were in a cold body of water and experienced shrinkage (Think of the Seinfeld episode where George shouted "I was in the pool"). 35s look "okay" and to look like an upgrade, you need to go to at least 37s. I came from a JKU with 33s that looked okay and thought 35s on the JT would look good.

I drove mine on the stock 33s for a month or so and went to the 35s and didn't experience a noticeable difference in MPG. Keep in mind, these are Jeeps so fuel efficient is not a word it understands. If you lose 1 - 2 MPG and that is important, reduce your speed by 3-5 mph to get it back.

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[Andy29847]

Don't think my girlfriend is going to like that.

show your girlfriend this one;

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