Stop Sale Diesel Gladiator?

[Badunit]

Ram 2500 fixed it by retrofitting a CP3.

You are right about the inline filter/screen. It filters out the big metal chunks but the "smaller" stuff (way larger than the micron rating of the fuel filter, though) still gets through to the injectors and everywhere else. I thought someone designed an actual bypass that gave the pumping chambers a separate clean fuel source, but I may be remembering wrong.

It is quite possible they'll cancel diesel orders. They'll have to either drop them or delay them indefinitely if the recall is expanded.

The EPA hates diesels anyway. They don't make gas-powered autos go into "limp home" mode at 5mph max speed when a problem crops up in the emission controls but they do it to diesels. I'm not against emission controls but I am against forced disabling of my vehicle over a minor issue that does not affect its drivability, and especially one for which you may not be able to get parts for weeks or months.

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[John in the Woods]

I hope OP @DJJ gets his truck, as does everyone who's already put there money down. I'm loving this diesel, and I'm happy I waited for it.

That said, with threat of legal issues and bad press over the fuel pump, and the industry-wide push toward electric, I would not be surprised if Jeep uses this as the moment to withdraw from the oil burning business. As a former PR hack, I'll bet they make the announcement as a footnote to the introduction of some "e" version Gladiator.

For the rest of us, Jeep, Ram, Ford and beyond, once the lawyers and the accountants let the engineers do their thing, we'll get a solution. From there, at least on the Jeep side, we will get to happily drive our unicorns for years to come.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

I just hope this doesn’t result in some kind of buyback in lieu of a real fix. I’ll never get my money back on all the crap I’ve added to it and I don’t want a manufacturers buyback hanging over my vehicle. I recognize you don’t get your money out of mods on resale but this is different. I’m hoping to keep this until at least a 2nd generation hybrid or electric truck comes out but I suspect that’s at least 5 or more years away once battery tech improves. I spoke to my dealer the other day. They have no update from FCA on this recall.

 

[Vtur]

I think FCA had made a deal to initiate the recall, but also allowed to continuing builds and sell new one until stock runs out. It's exactly 6 months since the recall letters went out.

 

[Dougstdig]

If it’s any consolidation the Bosch CP4 fuel pump issue is present in Ram and Ford heavy duty diesels as well. I have an F-350 Super Duty and this issue has been all over the online forums with no definitive fix. A few people have put an inline Filter but it is only a band aid.

So, I'm not a mechanic, but this sounds like an odd band aid. Inline filters go on before the fuel pumps. I don't think there's any way they would stand up to the pressures. ...assuming it's the fuel pump and not just the injectors generating the pressure. Just trying to wrap my head around it.

 

[smlobx]

^^^ I don’t profess to completely understand it either. I just want the damn thing to work!

 

[Stinky]

I’m totally confused. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the Dadiator Diesel!! I thought diesels lasted forever and liked the extra MPG for towing.

So is this like Russian Roulette or what? IF the pump fails I’m out a vehicle indefinitely? How concerned should I be about this? Found one on the lot not far from me.

if it’s not as big of a deal as I’m thinking, do you think dealers would be looking to move these and maybe I can get a better deal?

 

[Dougstdig]

I’m totally confused. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the Dadiator Diesel!! I thought diesels lasted forever and liked the extra MPG for towing.

So is this like Russian Roulette or what? IF the pump fails I’m out a vehicle indefinitely? How concerned should I be about this? Found one on the lot not far from me.

if it’s not as big of a deal as I’m thinking, do you think dealers would be looking to move these and maybe I can get a better deal?

I'm coming up on 22,000 and haven't had an issue. I do use Diesel Service on at least every other fillup, and pour a little heavy so It's always in there. This isn't new to me since I used the additive in my Dodge Ram the same way. It quiets the injectors, raises the Cetane level and in general, seems to make the motor run smoother.

I feel if the pump goes out, they'll replace it with what's on the shelf.

Many of is have had Zero issues to date. I might be able to think of 1 or 2 that have had an issue, but then again may be a figment of my imagination.

 

[22EcoDs]

I just hope this doesn’t result in some kind of buyback in lieu of a real fix. I’ll never get my money back on all the crap I’ve added to it and I don’t want a manufacturers buyback hanging over my vehicle. I recognize you don’t get your money out of mods on resale but this is different. I’m hoping to keep this until at least a 2nd generation hybrid or electric truck comes out but I suspect that’s at least 5 or more years away once battery tech improves. I spoke to my dealer the other day. They have no update from FCA on this recall.

Are you good friends with them ? Really hoping someone on this forum gets the skinny eventually. It's such a joke certain jeeps are included and some not. Despite being the same part.

 

[22EcoDs]

I’m totally confused. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the Dadiator Diesel!! I thought diesels lasted forever and liked the extra MPG for towing.

So is this like Russian Roulette or what? IF the pump fails I’m out a vehicle indefinitely? How concerned should I be about this? Found one on the lot not far from me.

if it’s not as big of a deal as I’m thinking, do you think dealers would be looking to move these and maybe I can get a better deal?

It's failure rate is still low, buy one.

 

[dcmdon]

I’m totally confused. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the Dadiator Diesel!! I thought diesels lasted forever

You are about 20 years behind the curve. A friend has a Ram with a low pressure injected (pre low sulphur diesel fuel) engine and it will pretty much run on anything. He's used home heating oil, soybean oil, canola oil. All kinds of stuff. it just burns it.

Modern diesels are not the diesels of yore.

I believe ford or GM has had trouble with high pressure fuel pumps disintegrating also and also polluting everything down stream from the pump.

Hmm. It appears to be a problem with both since they both use the Bosh CP4 pump.

https://www.xtremediesel.com/blog/2021/09/01/what-is-a-cp4-pump-and-why-does-it-fail/

 

[roxj]

They are still taking orders for them….. At least they did last week when I ordered mine.

 

[Tuna]

I’m totally confused. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the Dadiator Diesel!! I thought diesels lasted forever and liked the extra MPG for towing.

So is this like Russian Roulette or what? IF the pump fails I’m out a vehicle indefinitely? How concerned should I be about this? Found one on the lot not far from me.

if it’s not as big of a deal as I’m thinking, do you think dealers would be looking to move these and maybe I can get a better deal?

I say pull the trigger and use a fuel additive for lubricity. That's the issue when it comes to the pumps because US diesel doesn't lubricate enough. Read this article
https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2023/04...-investigation-millions-of-vehicles-affected/
I just bought one last month and I got it 20% below MSRP. Most likely because they wanted to move inventory since it was the last of their 22's.

 

[Stinky]

I'm coming up on 22,000 and haven't had an issue. I do use Diesel Service on at least every other fillup, and pour a little heavy so It's always in there. This isn't new to me since I used the additive in my Dodge Ram the same way. It quiets the injectors, raises the Cetane level and in general, seems to make the motor run smoother.

I feel if the pump goes out, they'll replace it with what's on the shelf.

Many of is have had Zero issues to date. I might be able to think of 1 or 2 that have had an issue, but then again may be a figment of my imagination.

I appreciate the feedback. I’m just struggling with paying that kinda of money with chance I’m SOL if it blows, or the thought that “reliability issues” will hurt resale value if this becomes more widely reported.

 

[Stinky]

I say pull the trigger and use a fuel additive for lubricity. That's the issue when it comes to the pumps because US diesel doesn't lubricate enough. Read this article
https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2023/04...-investigation-millions-of-vehicles-affected/
I just bought one last month and I got it 20% below MSRP. Most likely because they wanted to move inventory since it was the last of their 22's.

Don’t get me wrong I want to pull the trigger. I’ve wanted the diesel all along and was hoping it would maybe be an option for a Mo Jave at some point. I just hate the idea of potentially going to battle with dealership over repairs with to potential Yeep Will try to walk away from these issues.

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