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[CrazyCooter]

FWIW, Amsoil has a adjacent owned company that makes Vitamins. Still a bit weird marketing it with their oil sales though.

They do fertilizer too........

I'm an Amsoil oil dealer and sometimes think it makes the brand seem cheap or "scammish" since so many other companies with the multi-level marketing business model provide some of the same types of products.

I have been using, selling, and installing Amsoil products for almost 20 years and I don't feel that there is a better product at this price point. I can tell you Amsoil Severe Gear fluid has ELIMINATED my newly installed burned gear warranty returns when clients didn't follow the the break in procedure and oil change following. Not a single warranty in over 14 years since I started shipping them with Amsoil!

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[Hootbro]

They do fertilizer too........

I'm an Amsoil oil dealer and sometimes think it makes the brand seem cheap or "scammish" since so many other companies with the multi-level marketing business model provide some of the same types of products.

I have been using, selling, and installing Amsoil products for almost 20 years and I don't feel that there is a better product at this price point. I can tell you Amsoil Severe Gear fluid has ELIMINATED my newly installed burned gear warranty returns when clients didn't follow the the break in procedure and oil change following. Not a single warranty in over 14 years since I started shipping them with Amsoil!

Yeah, I have never questioned the quality or suitability of a Amsoil product they recommend for a particular application.

I have used their products off and on over the years but finding the value sometimes has me scratching my head in how they use a MLM to sell and distribute the product. I have heard their reasonings of wanting to control quality and not beholden to a larger corporate structure (I.E. Walmart Effect) that will leverage them out of business and understand that to some degree.

Between so called "dealers" local to me that almost never have stock on hand for what I am looking for and them just saying they can drop ship it for me that negates why I went to local dealer, it just give off a weird vibe to me and that it should not be that difficult to buy it brick and mortar sales.

20+ years ago, good case could be made for AMSOIL being a superior product, but that delta has shrink considerable when compared to what I can buy from other major oil label brands today.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Yeah, I have never questioned the quality or suitability of a Amsoil product they recommend for a particular application.

I have used their products off and on over the years but finding the value sometimes has me scratching my head in how they use a MLM to sell and distribute the product. I have heard their reasonings of wanting to control quality and not beholden to a larger corporate structure (I.E. Walmart Effect) that will leverage them out of business and understand that to some degree.

Between so called "dealers" local to me that almost never have stock on hand for what I am looking for and them just saying they can drop ship it for me that negates why I went to local dealer, it just give off a weird vibe to me and that it should not be that difficult to buy it brick and mortar sales.

20+ years ago, good case could be made for AMSOIL being a superior product, but that delta has shrink considerable when compared to what I can buy from other major oil label brands today.

Believe me....nothing more frustrating than having $15-25K in inventory in stock for sale but then having some "shadetree dealer" with no overhead and hardly knows anything technical about the product that Amsoil signed up to get their own stuff for a deal give it away at cost undercutting me when I have actual inventory and overhead?

I don't know what the correct business model is for someone trying to put out a quality product, but I could agree that Walmart isn't it!

 

[Dougstdig]

Amsoil tech support says that MS-12991 is an old outdated spec and that EFM 5W-40 exceeds it.

I believe it was discussed in this forum, but there was a fella that had an engine failure and used Amsoil. FCA rejected a warranty claim due to an unapproved oil being used. So, I'll need something better to document my files if I were to use it. As stated in my previous post...I want to, I just don't want to be on the hook if something goes south...

 

[Vtur]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-State-Euro-Full-Synthetic-5W-40-Motor-Oil-5-Quart/737859365?

MS-12991 spec AND CHEAP!

This is what i runs since first oil changed. I'm at 20k miles now. I bought 10 5qt jugs when they were onsale for $15.

 

[CrazyCooter]

I believe it was discussed in this forum, but there was a fella that had an engine failure and used Amsoil. FCA rejected a warranty claim due to an unapproved oil being used. So, I'll need something better to document my files if I were to use it. As stated in my previous post...I want to, I just don't want to be on the hood if something goes south...

If you are talking about the transmission failure.....I believe the biggest factor there was that the vehicle owner was not a resident of the US. He does not have the same protections that we do in the states and the foreign country further complicated the situation.

You are correct in that FCA could look for any reason to just reject a claim and see if you go away easy.

My upline dealer had an Polaris engine grenade under warranty and Polaris denied it because of Amsoil in the crankcase. The story I was told is that my dealer called Amsoil and they handled it from there....Engine was replaced for him.

 

[CrazyCooter]

This is what i runs since first oil changed. I'm at 20k miles now. I bought 10 5qt jugs when they were onsale for $15.

I just can't use that stuff.......

I'm not a new and cheap kind of guy. I buy quality and keep things around for years.

My buddy kept eating cams in his Cat C12. I suggested he buy a better oil that has the additives to cushion those metal on metal sliding lifters. He felt that using the cheapest oil, but changing it often was the best answer. $24K+, weeks of down time at a net cost of $1K per week, and 3 cams later, he gave up and bought a new truck.......

I ran my C12 while I had it for over 70K on the SAME (no oil change with UOA testing) Amsoil 15W40 before I sold it and it's still running great.

Same goes for other things like camping chairs or anything else.....I'lll gladly keep using my faded comfortable $150 chair for years as opposed to buying a POS new shiny $50 uncomfortable chair annually at Camping World or Walmart.

I still have my first wife too!

 

[Hootbro]

I believe it was discussed in this forum, but there was a fella that had an engine failure and used Amsoil. FCA rejected a warranty claim due to an unapproved oil being used. So, I'll need something better to document my files if I were to use it. As stated in my previous post...I want to, I just don't want to be on the hook if something goes south...

That was probably @Maximus Gladius . His situation of him being in Canada and their weak consumer protection laws created a weird situation were FCA Canada just Carte Blanche said it was Amsoil ATF fluid he changed to because his transmission was already failing due to Glycol contamination. FCA Canada did not prove it was the fluid that failed. On the flip side Amsoil would not warranty their fluid as it was not proven it caused the fatal damage. I might be missing some other details, but his unique case was not a failure of Amsoil not backing their fluid as their fluid did not fail but fell into the gray area of FCA Canada fighting it and hanging their hat on the Amsoil Fluid not carrying whatever MS spec for the ZF ATF fluid that is OEM.

Had his situation happened in the USA, there is other Federal laws that would not have readily allowed FCA to just say the use of the Amsoil fluid was at fault without proving it.

 

[Hootbro]

Believe me....nothing more frustrating than having $15-25K in inventory in stock for sale but then having some "shadetree dealer" with no overhead and hardly knows anything technical about the product that Amsoil signed up to get their own stuff for a deal give it away at cost undercutting me when I have actual inventory and overhead?

I don't know what the correct business model is for someone trying to put out a quality product, but I could agree that Walmart isn't it!

You probably have 4X the inventory there of any brick and mortar Amsoil seller I have been to in the last 10+ years.

I will admit I have used a few times those "Shadetree" dealers in the past. Most times, they were some co-worker who briefly became a dealer to just get wholesale discount for their own use and were not really into make it a business in the traditional sense.

 

[Free2roam]

So again that brand appears to not be "approved" probably because they didn't pay the licensing fees, but the manufacturer "claims" it meets it.

Not approved? Does stellantis have an approved list?

 

[CrazyCooter]

Not approved? Does stellantis have an approved list?

First post of this thread? It's supposed to be a list of "Known" products the meet the spec?

 

[Free2roam]

First post of this thread? It's supposed to be a list of "Known" products the meet the spec?

Which one of them according to the list is the one I used.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Which one of them according to the list is the one I used.

Do your own research.

The label you shared was worded in a way that made me question whether of not it actually meets the spec.

 

[Vtur]

I just can't use that stuff.......

I'm not a new and cheap kind of guy. I buy quality and keep things around for years.

My buddy kept eating cams in his Cat C12. I suggested he buy a better oil that has the additives to cushion those metal on metal sliding lifters. He felt that using the cheapest oil, but changing it often was the best answer. $24K+, weeks of down time at a net cost of $1K per week, and 3 cams later, he gave up and bought a new truck.......

I ran my C12 while I had it for over 70K on the SAME (no oil change with UOA testing) Amsoil 15W40 before I sold it and it's still running great.

Same goes for other things like camping chairs or anything else.....I'lll gladly keep using my faded comfortable $150 chair for years as opposed to buying a POS new shiny $50 uncomfortable chair annually at Camping World or Walmart.

I still have my first wife too!

Kinda the same here. I also prefer buying quality stuffs and using them til they breaks. But, I also tries not to over build or reinventing the wheels kinda stuffs either. Unless we can have 2 identical motors running 2 different oils and than tears it down after 100k miles and compares, it's hard to determine.

Oh yeah, I'm also still with my first wife too, 25 years lol.

Edit: planning on keeping this diesel for awhile, i'll post if any issues with the motor. But oil is my least worries on tbis diesel . It'll be a good baseline since i've only used this Quaker along with the factory filters.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

I believe it was discussed in this forum, but there was a fella that had an engine failure and used Amsoil. FCA rejected a warranty claim due to an unapproved oil being used. So, I'll need something better to document my files if I were to use it. As stated in my previous post...I want to, I just don't want to be on the hook if something goes south...

Ya, I’m that guy and @Hootbro did a great explanation above.

I used Amsoil in the transmission that blew up at 32k kms but the transmission was contaminated with glycol and developed a whine at 20k, then oil analysis done at 24k kms showing the contamination and extreme levels of copper and iron in the MOPAR 8/9 Speed ATF. Tranny flushed then for AMSOIL and the internals blew up 8k later.

District Service Manager immediately voided my warranty and also included my entire drivetrain warranty if AMSOIL was used in any other component.

After 7.5 months with a dead truck and fighting FCA with a legal demand letter and emails I had to get Stellantis President/CEO and his executives involved. The 3 week investigation into the transmission was concluded with:
(1) “there was nothing wrong with the transmission and I should not have done an oil analysis”; glycol contamination was fine and the catastrophic levels of iron and copper was of no concern.
(2) FCA engineers contacted ZF in Germany and asked if AMSOIL ATF was an “equivalent” oil to MOPAR 8/9 Speed ATF and ZF said no it isn’t and AMSOIL is not approved.

AMSOIL senior management and legal team is very aware their Data Sheet is false and they had no permission from the ZF manufacturer to post compliance codes for the 850RE transmission.

AMSOIL is fully aware that their oil may not have destroyed my transmission but the use of it destroyed my warranty. Their legal team reached out to me to ask some questions and I was never contacted again.

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