Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

Even if the power come from non burning sources, the parts are made and delivered with significant smoke.

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[Hootbro]

So here is the important question
What % of EV cars will cause the same strain on the electrical infrastructure in CA, that the heat wave did?
Because at that point, you have a permanent situation.

That's the question no one seems to ask or know the answer to.

And then, what % of EV cars, will cause off peak charging to have the same issue as on peak charging, especially since most people work during the day.

And at that point what do you do?
You can't drive to work
but you also can't work from home because..... Electric limitations.

It's just a matter of when this becomes a ChitChow

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And then, what % of EV cars, will cause off peak charging to have the same issue as on peak charging, especially since most people work during the day.

EV charging isn't a huge load as far as part of the total load, it's when combined with big loads. If all of the EVs were charged off-peak, it's not going to be a problem. Industry is often at reduced capacity, AC units slow down, stores close and so on. EVs would account for only a small fraction of the total load and 9pm to sunrise are not a problem.

but you also can't work from home because..... Electric limitations.

What's that got to do with it? People need to get back out of that mindset anyway - but there's little difference from being at home to not being at home for most people. The only extra load should be some lighting in the ROOM you are working in (not the whole damned house) and the computer - which takes almost no power.
The difference could be a couple hundred watts if done right. You don't need to be drawing huge loads IF you are truly WORKING from home. Light one room, use a computer - which is likely on anyway. The load on the router won't change any appreciable amount.
My son works from home - a one room office, a computer and monitor. And he doesn't see any difference compared to when he's away for a meeting in another city.

Like I said - using "now" numbers, it doesn't work well in some states, if at all. Using "now" numbers, it works fine in other states. This state has ample capacity. Once harvest season starts and those big grain dryers fire up, watch out, but then the AC load is usually down.
We've actually reduced our electric use over the years with our purchases. Going from a 17 SEER heat pump to a 22 SEER inverter system can't hurt. Getting that stupid PTAC unit out of our sun room and putting in the best possible minisplit should help. My bet is that our power consumption goes down. So as current appliances and AC units get replaced, it will help offset some of the added loads of EV charging.
We should be looking at future numbers and phase this in.
It seems to be all black or white to too many - the facts are in the middle. And we'll have different infrastructure in 10 years, more efficient EVs that go farther on a charge, better batteries - heck, in 5 years this whole thing will have changed.

LOL - I guess it's up to Iowans to figure this all out - we've got plenty of cheap power, closing in on 100% renewable for one company. We're proving things can happen. But then, where'd the digital computer, technology for the fax machine and other stuff come from? Yeah.......... right here.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Even if the power come from non burning sources, the parts are made and delivered with significant smoke.

True of any car or truck. Fact is, we're to the point where almost 100% of all battery material, as well as certain other materials, can be recycled cheaply and easily. Necessity - the mother of invention. Taking a while to get there, but the batteries won't end up in any landfill. And new ones are already being made with fewer raw materials. Tesla is already making motors with magnets that won't use as much of the rare earth materials. give it a couple of years - these are already being made with a lot less smoke and ripping stuff up than was happening 5 years ago.

 

[chorky]

True of any car or truck. Fact is, we're to the point where almost 100% of all battery material, as well as certain other materials, can be recycled cheaply and easily. Necessity - the mother of invention. Taking a while to get there, but the batteries won't end up in any landfill. And new ones are already being made with fewer raw materials. Tesla is already making motors with magnets that won't use as much of the rare earth materials. give it a couple of years - these are already being made with a lot less smoke and ripping stuff up than was happening 5 years ago.

Not so sure about that... Last time I was digging into it lithium batteries were only about 50% recyclable at best. Unless that changed. Led-acid is in the 90 percentile. But, the day that lithium is totally or even 95% recyclable will be a big day. At least for me that is a huge consideration.

 

[Boofer]

I wouldn't so easily dismiss losing billions of dollars. It's definitely a huge blow that makes them more dependent on the Soros bucks that led to the situation.


Push insanity, lose billions. That would be another way you could say it.

Twitter value October 2022: $44 billion
Twitter value March 2023: $20 billion

Hmmm... checks out

 

[redriderjf87]

Twitter value October 2022: $44 billion
Twitter value March 2023: $20 billion

Hmmm... checks out

You haven't disagreed with me on A-B pushing insanity, then quickly losing billions.

Hmmm... checks out

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not so sure about that... Last time I was digging into it lithium batteries were only about 50% recyclable at best. Unless that changed. Led-acid is in the 90 percentile. But, the day that lithium is totally or even 95% recyclable will be a big day. At least for me that is a huge consideration.

Over 95% now. Yes, the technology has changed.

Note - they even recycle production scraps from making new batteries.....
Governments are mandating that going forward, batteries be made with the intent of easier recycling down the road- meaning it could get better in the near future. That ain't bad - over 95% can be recycled.

With LG already making batteries for Stellantis in the U.S., this bit is only going to help:
Straubel, Redwood's CEO, told The Associated Press last year that recycling battery materials will help the U.S. establish its own electric-vehicle supply chain.

 

[Dougstdig]

I’ll refrain from commenting as my true commentary would surely get me banned and maybe worse. ***Good thing I’m not posting this after a weeks worth of 15hr days without getting some sleep…like I usually do…

Instead, I’d like to share my heart felt condolences, thoughts and prayers with those that have lost friends, family and loved ones in the defense of this country and our way of life. As we shouldn’t need a special day or weekend for this remembrance, we find ourselves in the end of May. Far too many people take for granted what we really have and what is and may be taken away going forward. We’re in a pivotal period of time and I hope the powers that be do the correct thing and people wake up.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Twitter value October 2022: $44 billion
Twitter value March 2023: $20 billion

Hmmm... checks out

That one was grossly over-valued to begin with, very heavily in debt and top-heavy (like most tech companies, swimming in cash, giving it away to those who demand free lunch and break rooms with beds)
Given a few more months, even the prior captain of that ship said it would have crashed and burned anyway. Can't use that to compare. It will come back.
A case of crashing value based on piss-poor management over the years, giving away the store.
And frankly, we don't know the current value - it's whatever he says it is. There's good reasons to give the public a low dollar amount for value since employees get shares of that value. Why say hey, it's worth $50 billion! and then have to give away the bonuses or shares on that inflated amount.
So really - we've got one man's word on the value, and I'd bet it's higher than that as he's playing a numbers game to avoid high share values for employees.

LOL - your obvious lean is showing.

I'm more a pragmatist - they're all wrong! HAHA

 

[AmosMoses]

I don't care what people in Delware do or how they govern themselves. States rights. Just keep it in your own state/community and live with the results.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’ll refrain from commenting as my true commentary would surely get me banned and maybe worse. ***Good thing I’m not posting this after a weeks worth of 15hr days without getting some sleep…like I usually do…

Instead, I’d like to share my heart felt condolences, thoughts and prayers with those that have lost friends, family and loved ones in the defense of this country and our way of life. As we shouldn’t need a special day or weekend for this remembrance, we find ourselves in the end of May. Far too many people take for granted what we really have and what is and may be taken away going forward. We’re in a pivotal period of time and I hope the powers that be do the correct thing and people wake up.

Yeah, this is one of those times of year (along with the other 364 days) where we need to be mindful of and thankful for those who risk all, give all, so that we can gripe, groan, complain, even call names and blast those who do something we disagree with.
A lot of good men and women have done a lot for us to be able to complain about what's going on - without ending up in Siberia or otherwise disappearing.
For all the faults, it's still among the best places in the world to be thanks to a whole lot of others.

 

[redriderjf87]

Wow, stock that's been in a long term downtrend since 2016 goes down some more. Cisgender white male snowflake anti-dentite who can't bear the fact that someone else gets a beer is on to something. Some Pelosi level investment analysis right there. You should start a hedge fund like Soros. But let's be honest, he has a much better pedigree for success.

You're getting emotional, please be objective.

You haven't disagreed with me on A-B pushing insanity, then quickly losing billions.

If you disagree with that statement, you can provide an objective response over DM, so we don't add more to this thread.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Even business blogs have noticed the fast drop in that one as well as their buying back beer.

 

[Riviera]

Not that anyone cares, but here's how I feel about the whole electric/hybrid vehicle:

I personally prefer the feel and sound of a conventional gas powered vehicle. However, I see some advantages in hybrids besides just better gas mileage, for instance I like how Ford has pitched it's hybrid F150 to contractors and I wish that Jeep would make the 4xe models so it could be like a built in Jackery for camping and travelling. I think that not only is the grid not ready just yet, nor are there sufficient chargers, but in time I think that will be improved greatly.

While anyone could concede that recycling lithium is not up to speed yet, let us not pretend that extracting oil is the cleanest industry out there. People mention how dirty the mining of lithium is, yet nobody is concerned about how many old wells are leaking methane into the atmosphere, or the dirty brine used (and left in the ground) for fracking. Oddly enough, a new process called "petrolithium" could offer double duty of extracting lithium from oil wells and sealing those leaking wells. I look at what Toyota does, and I think that lithium based batteries will continue to be made, replaced, and used on vehicles well into the 400,000 mile range. You wouldn't see Prius taxis with a few hundred thousand on the odometer if it wasn't financially advantageous to do so for the end user, long after any tax breaks are gone.

Finally, I think that assuming that electric vehicles is solely a "dem" issue is foolish. There's a lot of conservatives that will make HUGE money seeing electric vehicles thrive, and are working to see that they do. But I also think it's foolish to think that oil consumption will be eliminated. I don't think bulldozers, tanks, and jet planes will be completely converted to a non petro-based fuel, and we'll never stop making plastics.

At any rate, we are somewhat along for the ride.

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