Sinister Diesel fined ONE MILLION DOLLARS

[Teqsand]

That's a big fine...

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tuner...-million-for-selling-emissions-defeat-devices

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[Badunit]

I know nothing about Sinister Diesel specifically but my opinion is they should change the article from saying:

Like many of these shops, Sinsiter sold devices, tuners, and software that allowed owners to convert otherwise emission-compliant trucks into coal-rolling, exhaust-spewing nuisance machines

to

Like many of these shops, Sinsiter sold devices, tuners, and software that allowed owners to convert emission-handicapped trucks into more capable and reliable vehicles with significantly increased MPG and lower maintenance costs.

 

[sharpsicle]

I know nothing about Sinister Diesel specifically but my opinion is they should change the article from saying:

Like many of these shops, Sinsiter sold devices, tuners, and software that allowed owners to convert otherwise emission-compliant trucks into coal-rolling, exhaust-spewing nuisance machines

to

Like many of these shops, Sinsiter sold devices, tuners, and software that allowed owners to convert emission-handicapped trucks into more capable and reliable vehicles with significantly increased MPG and lower maintenance costs.

No, it most certainly should not. That's just as bad, if not worse, writing. And you conveniently left out "that really do give auto enthusiasts a bad name". That's important, because it's true.

Even though "rolling coal" is a god awful practice, I agree the article writing took a bit of unneeded artistic liberty. They can get the same point across with less exaggeration.

"...to circumvent the law by illegally modifying otherwise emission-compliant trucks"

But then again, this is an article from The Drive, so don't expect quality.

 

[Max-t]

Yea that’s a pretty lame fine. Maybe they’re tiny. They hung the auto manufacturers out to dry. Anyone still dealing in soot should probably be incarcerated

 

[Hootbro]

Like many of these shops, Sinsiter sold devices, tuners, and software that allowed owners to convert emission-handicapped trucks into more capable and reliable vehicles with significantly increased MPG and lower maintenance costs.

Let's be honest though, for every guy that just wanted a nondescript delete tune for their daily, there is probably 10+ of the rolling coal douche nozzles that brought attention to it in the first place.

There is no new laws having been passed for this enforcement but the whole tuner aftermarket has been on borrowed time for years with a wink and a nod selling things like this as "off-road only" when everybody knew otherwise.

 

[Badunit]

A while back there was controversy on whether the diesel emissions equipment was better or worse for the environment. The question was whether smaller particles of ash that do not quickly settle to the ground are better or worse for people than larger particles of soot that settle quickly. I have no idea what the truth is there.

Personally, I'm not against diesel emissions equipment EXCEPT for the EPA mandate that the vehicle must go into limp-home mode or no longer start and run if something goes wrong with the equipment, even if it is perfectly capable of running normally and getting you home where you can fix it. The risk of getting stranded far from home because of an EPA mandate, not a critical mechanical failure, puts a burr under my saddle. And with backordered parts being the norm, it could be weeks or months until you are running again.

I stand by my rewrite. I am 100% against rolling coal douche nozzles, my truck has all its emissions equipment, and I fully understand the woes of those that need their diesels to be reliable and long lasting.

 

[Teqsand]

I stand by my rewrite. And I am 100% against rolling coal douche nozzles. (And my truck has all its emissions equipment.)

These are the jackwagons who ruin it for the rest of us.... We get smogged up crap because they cannot control themselves

 

[Rusty PW]

Plea agreement. So if you bought anything from Sinister. You might be getting a knock on your door from the EPA. Because I bet part of that agreement was that they turn over their records.

 

[Jefe1018]

Plea agreement. So if you bought anything from Sinister. You might be getting a knock on your door from the EPA. Because I bet part of that agreement was that they turn over their records.

I thought they’d lost those in that boating accident last May or the one before?

 

[@californiajeeping]

Sad to see. It’s amazing that diesel can run 100% on renewable fuel and has drastically more efficiency than gas commuter engines….yet it’s constantly attacked by the government. It’s almost like they are forcing us all to evs or something ?

 

[Old Young Man]

They have had strict laws on modifying diesels since late 70s early 80s. I learned this in manufacture’s courses back then relating to semis and dumps.

 

[Hootbro]

I disagree with your comment "rolling coal" as the kids say is annoying that I agree but when they do there research on emissions they leave out all the extra emissions from manufacturing of def and emissions control they also leave out the fact that deleted trucks get 10 or 20 % better fuel mileage so thats less fuel consumed equals less emissions I've have deleted trucks that didn't "roll coal" I'm a used truck dealer and most tuners the "roll coal" is a setting thats a kid thing my opinion I think they should stay the hell out from my diesel engine

Is there actual linkable research showing the 10%-20% MPG savings of a delete vehicle is more emissions efficient than a non delete compliant one? Seen that argument repeated a lot but never backed up. Almost a straw man argument.

 

[Koolcarguy]

I there actual linkable research showing the 10%-20% MPG savings of a delete vehicle is more emissions efficient than a non delete compliant one? Seen that argument repeated a lot but never backed up. Almost a straw man argument.

Not sure on research but heard it from a guys that has way over 1 million miles on deleted truck 160 to 200k every year and has used both thats all the facts I need I drive alot and pass semi everyday that are emmision compliant that spew 10 time exhaust deleted trucks do

 

[bleda2002]

Not sure on research but heard it from a guys that has way over 1 million miles on deleted truck 160 to 200k every year and has used both thats all the facts I need I drive alot and pass semi everyday that are emmision compliant that spew 10 time exhaust deleted trucks do

Quick Google search shows up to 80% more nox emissions for a deleted diesel. 10-20% better fuel economy definitely does not make up for significantly worse emissions. This is also not counting particulate matter increases and one study had a delete on 2017+ diesels as 1 vehicle producing the same amount of nox and particulates as 30 non-deleted trucks of the same model.

 

[Koolcarguy]

Quick Google search shows up to 80% more nox emissions for a deleted diesel. 10-20% better fuel economy definitely does not make up for significantly worse emissions.

I hope your not a guy that believes a quick google search from some liberal in there basement? The thing you need to consider is the source? Are they really getting guys with deleted truck to do testing? I agree to disagree with you on this have a great day

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