Low oil pressure warning after oil change.

[Pilot425]

Just had this happen. Got my oil changed and then drove home stopping at a store. I get back in and the dash blows up with warnings and reading 5 psi oil pressure. tried a few start stop cycles. Still no oil. So I called my dealer and then their tow company. I Had to wait for 1 1/2 hours. Conveniently there was a brewery next door so I had a few while waiting. When we arrived back at the dealer after service hours and after moving it off the truck, it’s now showing 21 psi and no warnings. ?. Now I’m back at my dealer, drunk, eating a free box of Krispy Kreme donuts compliments of the tow truck driver, waiting for my ride. My trucks out back waiting until tomorrow for a resolution and I’ll look like a crazy person because it now shows oil pressure. It’s a Jeep thing people won’t understand. Living the dream.

seems like it usually comes down to an over torqued oil filter.

Sponsored

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

seems like it usually comes down to an over torqued oil filter.

Yeah, that’s what I’m getting from the threads. Sort of ridiculous. I’ve never torqued an oil filter (gas engines). The technician told me that they’re not the diesel shop (that’s their other dealership) but an oil filter shouldn’t be an issue. I’m going to call them in the morning. At least I’m getting a free Jeep lift kit crate for the mancave out of this.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

Apparently there’s a software update that fixes this. They flashed the ECU and resolved mine. More software junk.

 

[Kblanton]

" More software junk. "

Wolf Island Diver, Occupation: Software Engineer........

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

" More software junk. "

Wolf Island Diver, Occupation: Software Engineer........

I’m proud to be an apostate within my field and I’ve fired more developers under me than I’ve hired. We should be very afraid of any pursuit that lacks internal detractors and skeptics and there’s definitely a cult like mentality in my industry. The media has placed developers on an undeserved intellectual pedestal but really it’s a trade like any other. It’s been said software development is the new carpentry. When is the last time someone fawned over the head of a carpentry company? The mysterious nature of coding has blinded the population to the reality of how boringly conventional software engineering is and how like any other field it’s full of a mix of competent and incompetent, ethical and unethical players. Like everything else it’s just combination of knowledge, applied skill and experience. It’s mostly drudgery with moments of brilliant ingenuity. But so is fabricating car parts or building furniture or farming.

At the risk of sounding a bit dramatic, but as an industry insider I think the whole tech industry and our collective relationship with it presents an existential threat to human survival if it’s not brought to heel. If you witnessed the TikTok hearing you saw that our elected leaders and regulators are like my boomer parents and need help turning on their Apple TV or closing browser tabs. They know next to nothing about an industry that touches every aspect of our lives and they think software engineers are some kind of modern day wizards behind a curtain. But in reality behind the curtain is just a 22 year old living with his parents, trying to dip his toes into this whole “adulting” thing, deeply in debt, largely unhappy, horny af, addicted to social media, socially well connected and yet totally isolated and trying to figure out life just like the rest of us. He’s under constant crushing pressure to push code, push code, push code like a sweatshop. But unlike the carpenter. he’s writing systems that affect millions of people. He’s building something both immediately effective and yet intangible and unseen. This mystery of coding coupled with the intellectual laziness of our leaders, courts and the media means that technology has outpaced the regulations or even the necessary conversations about its effects by such a degree it may be too late to mitigate many of the negative externalities of integrating software into everything so cavalierly with no real regulatory framework.

There’s a whole series of memes about “falsehoods programmers believe about x” https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood. They’re funny because they’re so true but also think about how the assumptions of a developer affect how the software works. Assumptions are built into everything and so much of our lives are now controlled by software that presents a huge risk. As a society we should be concerned about those assumptions, why they exist. It should concern people that most software is written by a very narrow slice of the population with a very narrow set of experiences, education and world view. This isn’t simply about race and gender. It involves any differences. Consider an industry of mostly young people writing interfaces that will be used by older people. This problem affects all software in some cases in extreme ways. It has affected facial recognition software where they literally forgot to train it on Black people. It affects user interface design where the developer and testers are only sensitive to how they would go about doing something which of course is informed by the fact that they designed it. It affects database design where developers don’t account for long names or personal histories or family structures unlike their own in the fields they create. Software developers represents a population with largely inadequate training both in their field and in soft skills. Contrary to popular belief this is in many cases worse in other countries than the U.S. Over all of this is the fact that developers under immense pressure to build and maintaining systems of increasing complexity and interconnectedness under tighter and tighter cost and schedule restraints and to produce new products which solve non-existent problems (solutionism) with zero regard for the unintended consequences. The worst instincts of capitalism meets a “we should try it because we can” attitude. And it’s all fueled by a finance system which doesn’t even question the viability of the business model. A lot of the crazy office perks that’s draw the attention of news media has ignored the fact that a lot of companies essentially expect their employees to live at work or for their work to be their lives and as “highly compensated” workers, developers have basically little employment rights. If they are foreign workers, they’re basically indentured.

And when engineers internally raise flags to management, such as when Tesla’s autonomous design team repeatedly did for years, they’re told to shut up. It’s clear that the team that engineered Tesla’s autonomous tech believed it should have been LiDAR-based and doesn’t believe it’s safe for public use. That’s a documented fact. Regulators have repeatedly failed to do anything about it. And it’s a profound thing considering it’s deployed in the wild. Once when asked about crashes involving Tesla’s self driving tech, Elon Musk, who is the living embodiment of what stupid people think smart people are like, a living avatar for the Dunning-Kruger effect, replied, “well, it’s beta software”. Considering that we’re talking about a 2 1/2 ton object that’s carrying someone’s children, this is a truly psychopathic response. The result is dead drivers including a decapitated veteran Navy Seal.

The jury has been in for years that Social Media is a net negative for society and it’s systematically rewriting the neurology of our young people, enabling genocide, and generally making the world a more polarized place. Everything, including interpersonal relationships is a now a manipulation of a system designed to monetize and financialize all of human existence. That pain in your abdomen becomes an ad on your phone because you told someone about it or googled it. Everyone’s beliefs about any contemporary subject are now at least in part a function of a set of algorithms designed to maximize engagement by juking the data you are exposed to or your friends and family are exposed to. The total effect of this is that humans are now the organic component of a virtual, live, constructive simulation that we are building in real time where a system we didn’t design determines what we know and don’t know and imperceptibly informs our actions though tightly integrated interfaces, like our smartphones that we use for everything. It’s the final realization of a theoretical, post modern world where there is no objective reality other than what you can sell or it’s virality. But it’s full steam ahead damn the consequences and it’s happened so quietly and insidiously that people within the industry aren’t fully aware of the total aggregate effect.

I also previously did a lot of work with autonomous “AI” weapon systems but I think a possible future of Terminators is far less concerning what’s here now. Current “AI” (there’s not really any such thing as artificial intelligence) LLMs like ChatGPT, Midjourney et al should be banned because they’re essentially industrial scale intellectual property theft. They work by scraping the internet with no regard to original creators and regurgitate data in a way designed to maximally manipulate their human users. and like a lot of our tech they are secretly dependent on a virtual army of people in Third World countries being paid slave wages to make the whole system work. The true irony of the tech industry is actually the degree to which much of our tech relies on immense numbers of human hands to manually build our devices, or two manually filter out data to protect and users from being exposed to horror. All social media and “AI” relies on people manually filtering content to protect users from seeing disturbing content. Content deemed unsafe for users but okay for these people because they’re poor or in some place like Kenya.

But mostly my industry has meant that life has devolved into a lot of little daily annoyances that chip away at our autonomy, time and mental health because software development is hard and there are infinite bugs and finite time to correct them. More and more work that used to be done by HR or clerks is now the responsibility of consumers and employees. We literally do multiple peoples jobs now and are not compensated for it. Convenience tech like Siri or Alexa maybe saves time but it’s constantly buggy. Has the ubiquitous smart phone giving us our time back or actually taking all of it from us? The time working around failures, updating things, googling bugs keeping our personal technology ecosystem working is a giant time suck for everyone. Why is this? Why haven’t we seen a revolution within the industry itself using tech to make it more reliable?

The reason is that we iteratively build software and that doesn’t initially work because such an Orwellian concept as a “minimum viable product” is now the standard. No carpenter could get away with this. There’s no such thing as a minimum viable table. In the software world, it’s perfectly acceptable to deliver a product to consumers that doesn’t fully function. There’s no actual benefit to this except to save money, and to start making money sooner. In the early days of the internet, when customers often didn’t know what they wanted out of a website iterative development made a lot of sense. Small “i” iterative development still makes sense. But like most things, it was perverted by profit motivation. And so it morphed into an externalizing of problems to the end-user. And it blurred the existence milestones. I’ve never experienced the case where upon the approach of a software release the definition of done, or working or tested wasn’t diluted by management. Even requirements management couldn’t save the day. People either replace requirements management with process systems or they made requirements fuzzy. Conveniently when you have fuzzy requirements, you can change them to meet the state of the software. And because delaying a release is the death knell for software teams, in my professional experience this results is what amounts to rampant low level fraud.

The result of all of this fairly esoteric trend within an industry? Games are buggy messes. Autonomous systems don’t take edge cases into account. Frequently relied upon systems like CarPlay, or Google Maps stop working with an unrelated update. We’re constantly at risk of our personal data or financial lives being hacked due to zero day vulnerabilities. Public infrastructure is more vulnerable than ever. And yes, my truck decides it has no oil, leaves me stranded in a parking lot and spends another day in the shop being reflashed because of a software bug. What if this was an ambulance or it happened while I’m on top of a mountain on a Jeep trail? I can assure you of one thing with 100% certainty. That question doesn’t matter to the developers.

 

[bd100]

I’m proud to be an apostate within my field

I concur with most all you've said, based on what I've seen through the years. Back when car computers were 16 bit there was a good chance the bugs were gone, but these days everything is so bloated.

It might be better if everything were open source, but even then there are unfixed bugs sitting around for years.

 

[Hootbro]

I’m proud to be an apostate within my field and I’ve fired more developers under me than I’ve hired. We should be very afraid of any pursuit that lacks internal detractors and skeptics and there’s definitely a cult like mentality in my industry. The media has placed developers on an undeserved intellectual pedestal but really it’s a trade like any other. It’s been said software development is the new carpentry. When is the last time someone fawned over the head of a carpentry company? The mysterious nature of coding has blinded the population to the reality of how boringly conventional software engineering is and how like any other field it’s full of a mix of competent and incompetent, ethical and unethical players. Like everything else it’s just combination of knowledge, applied skill and experience. It’s mostly drudgery with moments of brilliant ingenuity. But so is fabricating car parts or building furniture or farming.

At the risk of sounding a bit dramatic, but as an industry insider I think the whole tech industry and our collective relationship with it presents an existential threat to human survival if it’s not brought to heel. If you witnessed the TikTok hearing you saw that our elected leaders and regulators are like my boomer parents and need help turning on their Apple TV or closing browser tabs. They know next to nothing about an industry that touches every aspect of our lives and they think software engineers are some kind of modern day wizards behind a curtain. But in reality behind the curtain is just a 22 year old living with his parents, trying to dip his toes into this whole “adulting” thing, deeply in debt, largely unhappy, horny af, addicted to social media, socially well connected and yet totally isolated and trying to figure out life just like the rest of us. He’s under constant crushing pressure to push code, push code, push code like a sweatshop. But unlike the carpenter. he’s writing systems that affect millions of people. He’s building something both immediately effective and yet intangible and unseen. This mystery of coding coupled with the intellectual laziness of our leaders, courts and the media means that technology has outpaced the regulations or even the necessary conversations about its effects by such a degree it may be too late to mitigate many of the negative externalities of integrating software into everything so cavalierly with no real regulatory framework.

There’s a whole series of memes about “falsehoods programmers believe about x” https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood. They’re funny because they’re so true but also think about how the assumptions of a developer affect how the software works. Assumptions are built into everything and so much of our lives are now controlled by software that presents a huge risk. As a society we should be concerned about those assumptions, why they exist. It should concern people that most software is written by a very narrow slice of the population with a very narrow set of experiences, education and world view. This isn’t simply about race and gender. It involves any differences. Consider an industry of mostly young people writing interfaces that will be used by older people. This problem affects all software in some cases in extreme ways. It has affected facial recognition software where they literally forgot to train it on Black people. It affects user interface design where the developer and testers are only sensitive to how they would go about doing something which of course is informed by the fact that they designed it. It affects database design where developers don’t account for long names or personal histories or family structures unlike their own in the fields they create. Software developers represents a population with largely inadequate training both in their field and in soft skills. Contrary to popular belief this is in many cases worse in other countries than the U.S. Over all of this is the fact that developers under immense pressure to build and maintaining systems of increasing complexity and interconnectedness under tighter and tighter cost and schedule restraints and to produce new products which solve non-existent problems (solutionism) with zero regard for the unintended consequences. The worst instincts of capitalism meets a “we should try it because we can” attitude. And it’s all fueled by a finance system which doesn’t even question the viability of the business model. A lot of the crazy office perks that’s draw the attention of news media has ignored the fact that a lot of companies essentially expect their employees to live at work or for their work to be their lives and as “highly compensated” workers, developers have basically little employment rights. If they are foreign workers, they’re basically indentured.

And when engineers internally raise flags to management, such as when Tesla’s autonomous design team repeatedly did for years, they’re told to shut up. It’s clear that the team that engineered Tesla’s autonomous tech believed it should have been LiDAR-based and doesn’t believe it’s safe for public use. That’s a documented fact. Regulators have repeatedly failed to do anything about it. And it’s a profound thing considering it’s deployed in the wild. Once when asked about crashes involving Tesla’s self driving tech, Elon Musk, who is the living embodiment of what stupid people think smart people are like, a living avatar for the Dunning-Kruger effect, replied, “well, it’s beta software”. Considering that we’re talking about a 2 1/2 ton object that’s carrying someone’s children, this is a truly psychopathic response. The result is dead drivers including a decapitated veteran Navy Seal.

The jury has been in for years that Social Media is a net negative for society and it’s systematically rewriting the neurology of our young people, enabling genocide, and generally making the world a more polarized place. Everything, including interpersonal relationships is a now a manipulation of a system designed to monetize and financialize all of human existence. That pain in your abdomen becomes an ad on your phone because you told someone about it or googled it. Everyone’s beliefs about any contemporary subject are now at least in part a function of a set of algorithms designed to maximize engagement by juking the data you are exposed to or your friends and family are exposed to. The total effect of this is that humans are now the organic component of a virtual, live, constructive simulation that we are building in real time where a system we didn’t design determines what we know and don’t know and imperceptibly informs our actions though tightly integrated interfaces, like our smartphones that we use for everything. It’s the final realization of a theoretical, post modern world where there is no objective reality other than what you can sell or it’s virality. But it’s full steam ahead damn the consequences and it’s happened so quietly and insidiously that people within the industry aren’t fully aware of the total aggregate effect.

I also previously did a lot of work with autonomous “AI” weapon systems but I think a possible future of Terminators is far less concerning what’s here now. Current “AI” (there’s not really any such thing as artificial intelligence) LLMs like ChatGPT, Midjourney et al should be banned because they’re essentially industrial scale intellectual property theft. They work by scraping the internet with no regard to original creators and regurgitate data in a way designed to maximally manipulate their human users. and like a lot of our tech they are secretly dependent on a virtual army of people in Third World countries being paid slave wages to make the whole system work. The true irony of the tech industry is actually the degree to which much of our tech relies on immense numbers of human hands to manually build our devices, or two manually filter out data to protect and users from being exposed to horror. All social media and “AI” relies on people manually filtering content to protect users from seeing disturbing content. Content deemed unsafe for users but okay for these people because they’re poor or in some place like Kenya.

But mostly my industry has meant that life has devolved into a lot of little daily annoyances that chip away at our autonomy, time and mental health because software development is hard and there are infinite bugs and finite time to correct them. More and more work that used to be done by HR or clerks is now the responsibility of consumers and employees. We literally do multiple peoples jobs now and are not compensated for it. Convenience tech like Siri or Alexa maybe saves time but it’s constantly buggy. Has the ubiquitous smart phone giving us our time back or actually taking all of it from us? The time working around failures, updating things, googling bugs keeping our personal technology ecosystem working is a giant time suck for everyone. Why is this? Why haven’t we seen a revolution within the industry itself using tech to make it more reliable?

The reason is that we iteratively build software and that doesn’t initially work because such an Orwellian concept as a “minimum viable product” is now the standard. No carpenter could get away with this. There’s no such thing as a minimum viable table. In the software world, it’s perfectly acceptable to deliver a product to consumers that doesn’t fully function. There’s no actual benefit to this except to save money, and to start making money sooner. In the early days of the internet, when customers often didn’t know what they wanted out of a website iterative development made a lot of sense. Small “i” iterative development still makes sense. But like most things, it was perverted by profit motivation. And so it morphed into an externalizing of problems to the end-user. And it blurred the existence milestones. I’ve never experienced the case where upon the approach of a software release the definition of done, or working or tested wasn’t diluted by management. Even requirements management couldn’t save the day. People either replace requirements management with process systems or they made requirements fuzzy. Conveniently when you have fuzzy requirements, you can change them to meet the state of the software. And because delaying a release is the death knell for software teams, in my professional experience this results is what amounts to rampant low level fraud.

The result of all of this fairly esoteric trend within an industry? Games are buggy messes. Autonomous systems don’t take edge cases into account. Frequently relied upon systems like CarPlay, or Google Maps stop working with an unrelated update. We’re constantly at risk of our personal data or financial lives being hacked due to zero day vulnerabilities. Public infrastructure is more vulnerable than ever. And yes, my truck decides it has no oil, leaves me stranded in a parking lot and spends another day in the shop being reflashed because of a software bug. What if this was an ambulance or it happened while I’m on top of a mountain on a Jeep trail? I can assure you of one thing with 100% certainty. That question doesn’t matter to the developers.

Gotta know, do you wear shoes that have velcro straps instead of shoe laces? There is a running observation at my work with our software engineers that the higher their I.Q. is, the more prevalent they are to wear velcro strap shoes.

 

[Kblanton]

I'm either happy I said that or sorry I said that.

Seems like my man has been holding this in for a while so you're welcome.

As a mechanic and plumber I can appreciate the other side of what you are saying. I know you are mostly talking about computers but it also applies to regular engineers as well. I have worked on some things and thought, "Why do engineers hate repair guys?" You put something that HAS to removed/changed (like an oil filter or spark plug) right behind a frame rail or something similar that can't be removed without taking the whole thing apart. Apparently the designer doesn't have to work on his design......

Glad we have guys like you out there believing these things. Keeps me feeling good about the human race.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

I concur with most all you've said, based on what I've seen through the years. Back when car computers were 16 bit there was a good chance the bugs were gone, but these days everything is so bloated.

It might be better if everything were open source, but even then there are unfixed bugs sitting around for years.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying profit motive is bad or even the problem or trying to invoke the “evil greedy capitalist” trope. Yes profit seeking pushes things in the opposite direction as quantity assurance and testing which is driving quality down but engineers have an ethical responsibility to push back as a profession. Having worked as/with developers and managed them, I think there’s some things fundamentally wrong with the tech industry and some common bad traits within dev culture.

I’ve contributed to open source projects and certainly used tons of open source stuff from nix to K8s to REACT libs. Generally I don’t get very excited about it. Some of it’s good, some of its crap. I’m not a fan of the software licensing model Microsoft pioneered. I think that held back the industry by decades. At the same time I’ve never been one of those people that believed that if software was just all open source it would be some kind of utopia. I’ve also used a lot of open source frameworks where the project died and put us in a bind or worse where management insisted we use a framework that had stop being actively developed years prior.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

Gotta know, do you wear shoes that have velcro straps instead of shoe laces? There is a running observation at my work with our software engineers that the higher their I.Q. is, the more prevalent they are to wear velcro strap shoes.

Yeah, that’s weird. My 3 IQ percentiles are up there but I’ve always thought the genius weirdo trope was pretty annoying and yet a lot of guys sort of embrace it ? Some of it is legit folks on a spectrum but I’ve never found the people who were neurodivergent or adhd to be better devs. My theory is that dev tropes play well for management and allow those that employ them to avoid scrutiny. There’s also just some legit dev things. We had a thing about blue shirts. Male devs all seem to wear blue shirts and on the same days. Maybe our rhythms get in synch like women coworkers and their cycles. I worked with a lot of weird people over the years too. There was guy who put a green corrugated roof, like from a chicken coop, over his cubicle like a fort and walked around in white socks. He wasn’t worth a damn.
Some groups, neurodivergent included, East Asian and Indian devs fall into this weird positive stereotype thing where everyone assumes they’re brilliant. I worked in a group where we had this one Chinese guy who supposedly spoke almost no English. Pretty uncommon for a defense contractor were you must have a clearance and I wondered if he faked not speaking English. He would watch Chinese soap operas all day long and drink tea, and churn out massive amounts of code. Everyone said he was a genius. He was almost treated like some religious figure, like the racist Asian mystic or “wisdom of the ancients” trope. He left and I inherited a project he had worked on; literally the worst Java code I’d ever seen and completely impossible to integrate into anything; pure hackish garbage. I took years worth of his work and threw it away. Management acted like I was chucking the Dead Sea Scrolls but they never had looked at it. I never stopped giving people in my office shit for this. Other devs actually knew his stuff was garbage but just went along with the whole story. Weird.

I’m fully remote now so I don’t have to deal with weird office dynamics and weird personalities. I don’t miss it. It’s hard to have personality over Microsoft Teams and I steadfastly refuse to turn on a webcam. Most of my colleagues have never seen my face and know next to nothing about me or probably anyone else unless they’re in a satellite office. The last Velcro shoes I had were Stridrites when I was 4. I’m usually wearing shorts and flip flops, barefoot or wearing Hey Dudes or boat shoes. If I go into an office now, I like to dress well (suits) and I’m technically a Jr Executive so I sort of have to anyway. When I worked in an office I was jeans and a button down and decent lace up casual shoes like Hotters, Born or Cole Haans. I also tried to avoid the developer exposed white undershirt trope and wear a vneck undershirt.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

I'm either happy I said that or sorry I said that.

Seems like my man has been holding this in for a while so you're welcome.

As a mechanic and plumber I can appreciate the other side of what you are saying. I know you are mostly talking about computers but it also applies to regular engineers as well. I have worked on some things and thought, "Why do engineers hate repair guys?" You put something that HAS to removed/changed (like an oil filter or spark plug) right behind a frame rail or something similar that can't be removed without taking the whole thing apart. Apparently the designer doesn't have to work on his design......

Glad we have guys like you out there believing these things. Keeps me feeling good about the human race.

I went to a good school but dropped out, disillusioned. So needing a job I came up through the trades as a nuke pipefitter and went through an apprenticeship where I taught myself software engineering. I had worked as a firefighter/paramedic and a bike mechanic prior to that. I went back to school for ME but dropped out of that too after realizing that most tech companies outside of the defense industry don’t care about degrees. They’re worth about 2-4 years of experience on paper. In reality, as someone who’s interviewed and hired and fired plenty of devs a degree is worth 0 years of experience, because it’s literally not experience.

Having worked in both worlds I didn’t walk in with any preconceived notions of my worth or of class or feel the need to justify what I spent on a degree. I worked with some really brilliant guys with CS PhD’s who were great coders. I’ve work with guys that didn’t seem to have learned any theory in school and we’re also terrible coders. And I’ve worked with apprentices with no formal education who were brilliant coders.

I’ve been on waterfront trying to make poorly engineered things work building systems on ships and I’ve been in the office trying to solve complex engineering problems with lack of cooperation from trades. I think my uncommon experience and lack of tribal loyalty has given me a very clear perspective on things. I think we’ve done ourselves a really great disservice in this country by forsaking trades education and selling the myth that everyone needs a degree. Or creating false class distinctions between education and jobs. In this sense Marx was spot on (I don’t agree with his normative economics) that there’s two classes, owners of capital and everyone else (wage earners). In this sense I see zero class distinction between a PE electrical engineer and an electrician. But many Americans or at least the media seem obsessed with where everyone fits in a imaginary hierarchy.

Ironically the reason I dropped out of school, the first time, is that I was so disillusioned with how unintellectual college was. I was a polysci/econ major and the 18 yo naïve me thought it was gonna be some great intellectual pursuit. A place to expand one’s mind. It wasn’t. I’ve lost the ability, but I used to be shocked at how poorly educated a lot of people with degrees are in a general sense; in a history, art, literature, scientific literacy. Engineering school felt more like trades education in its singular focus on the subject. And then, I see that a lot of folks completing 4 year degrees in these technical fields don’t seem to retain a lot of that field specific knowledge either. So in some sense, the thing feels like a giant grift to put millions of people deeply in debt.

 

[Kblanton]

I have no formal college education. I have taken some accounting classes and scored a 4.0 but just a regular high school diploma for me. My experience is in mechanics (lawn mower small engines, car, trucks, tractors) and plumbing (residential. light commercial). At one time I held a plumbing license and made my living doing plumbing. I now am the second in command at a plumbing supplier and am considered expert level in my field.

My wife and mother-in-law both have college degrees and masters degrees yet I am considered the smartest person in my family. Sometimes formal education is not as worthwhile as experience.

Sound like you have both.

 

[Towzone100]

Hey guys, I thought I would share what happened to me. I performed an oil and fuel filter change on my 2021 Gladiator Ecodiesel. I’m a Jeep guy, have owned more than I can count, and know my way around cars. All went well, but I received a low oil warning after driving a few miles. I checked, and the pressure was dropping to 6 lbs at idle. I parked it, researched the problem, and came across this thread. I pulled the filter to verify the part number, and it was correct. I went and purchased an oil filter from the dealer. I compared the two filters and noticed the first one I installed had a shorter element. They both had the same part number, but the one I purchased from https://www.dieselfiltersonline.com had a shorter filter element. My guess is that the element was too short to engage fully. I will be comparing my filters from now on.

 

[Pilot425]

Hey guys, I thought I would share what happened to me. I performed an oil and fuel filter change on my 2021 Gladiator Ecodiesel. I’m a Jeep guy, have owned more than I can count, and know my way around cars. All went well, but I received a low oil warning after driving a few miles. I checked, and the pressure was dropping to 6 lbs at idle. I parked it, researched the problem, and came across this thread. I pulled the filter to verify the part number, and it was correct. I went and purchased an oil filter from the dealer. I compared the two filters and noticed the first one I installed had a shorter element. They both had the same part number, but the one I purchased from https://www.dieselfiltersonline.com had a shorter filter element. My guess is that the element was too short to engage fully. I will be comparing my filters from now on.

Thanks for posting. My last 3 filters were from Dieselfiltersonline and my low oil pressure hasn’t been an issue. Guess I will have to use my current one as a guide for comparison.

 

[Vegas_Blue]

Got a 21 JTRD with periodic low oil pressure light (although the pressure numbers seem normal). Warning light came on shortly after I personally changed the oil with mopar oil and filter provided by the dealership (33k miles/4th oil change. Three previous oil changes were completed by the dealership). At first I hand tightened the filter. After the LOP light came on I checked with a Harbor Freight (Pittsburgh) torque wrench which I set to a smidge past 18 ft lbs (25nm). The tool revealed I was slightly under torqued buy about a quarter turn. Light stayed off for a couple days. Went on a 1,500 mile road trip and had a few sporadic LOP warnings. Got home about a week later and took it into the dealer who said it just needed a software update. LOP warning came back on before I got all the way home. Back to the dealer and they've decided to replace the oil pump and all associated components but they haven’t been able to actually identify the culprit. Got a call from the service writer yesterday who said the pump they received was the wrong one and the correct one is currently unavailable due to the strike. Service writer has exceptional customer service and they’ve put me in a nice Wagoneer loaner. This combo had kept me from going bezerk. My service writer made some special request to Jeep to expedite the part so hopefully next week I’ll hear good news. I hope it fixes the problem because I love the diesel in this platform. I’ll keep y’all posted.

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