Yet another ESS (start/stop) thread.

[The Sigma]

If you aren't familiar with Scotty, he has a ton of good auto info. The video addresses the ESS (start/stop) system. I know there's already a lot of discussion/opinion on the ESS; sharing with you all one more viewpoint. As for me, my Tazer has always kept my ESS off.

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[ShadowsPapa]

If you aren't familiar with Scotty, he has a ton of good auto info. The video addresses the ESS (start/stop) system. I know there's already a lot of discussion/opinion on the ESS; sharing with you all one more viewpoint. As for me, my Tazer has always kept my ESS off.

LOL - you've GOT to be kidding me! Him? Listen to him for anything related to these vehicles?
He's got a ton of BAD information - fixed it.
Heck, he doesn't even know where these transmissions are made, it's so very wrong on so many things anyone watching his videos is getting bad education.

His links should be banned here.
He's not even a REAL mechanic. (well, maybe in his mind)
(I see he's still off his meds in that one)

Sorry, he's very wrong about almost every point.

 

[Lost1wing]

LOL - you've GOT to be kidding me! Him? Listen to him for anything related to these vehicles?
He's got a ton of BAD information - fixed it.
Heck, he doesn't even know where these transmissions are made, it's so very wrong on so many things anyone watching his videos is getting bad education.

His links should be banned here.
He's not even a REAL mechanic. (well, maybe in his mind)
(I see he's still off his meds in that one)

Sorry, he's very wrong about almost every point.

I like Scotty because he is funny, not because of his knowledge. I made it half way through that video. I would agree with the cost of the Ess and lack of fuel savings, why have it at all. EPA? I think if you are out of the city limits it is a waste. I think if you are using a Jeep for your daily commute in stop and go traffic, you don't care about fuel savings and will likely hit the off button every time. So the EPA did nothing to combat " saving the planet" . It just put more burden on the consumer. My opinion!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I like Scotty because he is funny, not because of his knowledge. I made it half way through that video. I would agree with the cost of the Ess and lack of fuel savings, why have it at all. EPA? I think if you are out of the city limits it is a waste. I think if you are using a Jeep for your daily commute in stop and go traffic, you don't care about fuel savings and will likely hit the off button every time. So the EPA did nothing to combat " saving the planet" . It just put more burden on the consumer. My opinion!

We've seen a fair amount of savings with ours. Even when we had the Grand Cherokee which could easily do 20 in town, 25 on the highway, we noted a difference when it stopped working.
i've tracked it on mine, and it works.

Not sure where burden on consumer comes in. What burden? Sit back and let 'er work. I see no burden. Maybe some CBD gummies to help lower the annoyance threshold?

The EPA did not mandate this! The auto maker gets credits against their CAFE numbers by using such technology - so in other words, Jeep would be in trouble for not meeting their CAFE and other numbers. This allows them to keep producing Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators that don't meet regulations - although they did also have to pay a fine because of it.
So Jeep (and others) either do this, or stop selling certain vehicles or pay huge fines and keep not meeting CAFE numbers.
The thing is, the majority of people don't find it "annoying" (still can't figure out why it would be) and they let it work as intended. So yes, they did achieve the goal - it's mostly those who hang out on the internet, which is a tiny subset of Jeep owners in all reality, who even talk about it, and then of those, the majority still let it work. It's the vocal few who shut it down that make it look like the world hates it and thus it's disabled on most vehicles.
My wife even complained to me when she had her GC and that stopped working - how come my Jeep isn't shutting off at the stop lights any more? I'm losing MPG".
And she was right - we could track the averages and it mattered.
I've posted here in other places where independent studies by Edmonds and others have determined anywhere from 7 to 10% is rather typical savings. Of course it matters where you live, where you drive, how you drive and your individual vehicle. But they took vehicles out, chose typical commute routes, and drove with and without it active and those were the results typical of each controlled study I found.

Hate it if you like, shut it off if it's "annoying", whatever, but without it, Jeep would be in big trouble, and since most do leave it operational, yeah, it is working to have an effect.

Check out another thread here on Scotty's BS videos - he may be entertaining but as a mechanic or expert on anything - he's laughable. It's so easy to pick his stuff apart.
did you know that the ZF transmissions in our Jeeps are made in Austria? Yeah, that's right!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yup - yet ANOTHER ESS thread this time with the clown of all "mechanics", 'wrong again Scotty'.
It's why good or accurate info is so very hard to find - you have videos like his out there.

Here's some highlights, but the rest of the thread pretty much sums up how much he really knows (or is that how much he doesn't know) and why he's not really to be relied on for any "info". Almost everything he spews is unsubstantiated opinion.

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...of-a-2023-gladiator.74114/page-3#post-1209739

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...of-a-2023-gladiator.74114/page-2#post-1209729

 

[Lost1wing]

We've seen a fair amount of savings with ours. Even when we had the Grand Cherokee which could easily do 20 in town, 25 on the highway, we noted a difference when it stopped working.
i've tracked it on mine, and it works.

Not sure where burden on consumer comes in. What burden? Sit back and let 'er work. I see no burden. Maybe some CBD gummies to help lower the annoyance threshold?

The EPA did not mandate this! The auto maker gets credits against their CAFE numbers by using such technology - so in other words, Jeep would be in trouble for not meeting their CAFE and other numbers. This allows them to keep producing Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators that don't meet regulations - although they did also have to pay a fine because of it.
So Jeep (and others) either do this, or stop selling certain vehicles or pay huge fines and keep not meeting CAFE numbers.
The thing is, the majority of people don't find it "annoying" (still can't figure out why it would be) and they let it work as intended. So yes, they did achieve the goal - it's mostly those who hang out on the internet, which is a tiny subset of Jeep owners in all reality, who even talk about it, and then of those, the majority still let it work. It's the vocal few who shut it down that make it look like the world hates it and thus it's disabled on most vehicles.
My wife even complained to me when she had her GC and that stopped working - how come my Jeep isn't shutting off at the stop lights any more? I'm losing MPG".
And she was right - we could track the averages and it mattered.
I've posted here in other places where independent studies by Edmonds and others have determined anywhere from 7 to 10% is rather typical savings. Of course it matters where you live, where you drive, how you drive and your individual vehicle. But they took vehicles out, chose typical commute routes, and drove with and without it active and those were the results typical of each controlled study I found.

Hate it if you like, shut it off if it's "annoying", whatever, but without it, Jeep would be in big trouble, and since most do leave it operational, yeah, it is working to have an effect.

Check out another thread here on Scotty's BS videos - he may be entertaining but as a mechanic or expert on anything - he's laughable. It's so easy to pick his stuff apart.
did you know that the ZF transmissions in our Jeeps are made in Austria? Yeah, that's right!

When I take the JT for a ride, I may hit one or two traffic lights. I would never see any savings. The burden is not on me, but as we have seen here, the numerous owners complaining of ESS. Be it lack of knowledge of how it works, actual malfunctions or driving habits that are not conducive for the ESS to work as intended. The owners didn't ask for it. The consumers burden the cost of ESS, I'm sure it's not an enhancement that the manufacturers just toss in, mandate or not.

I read an article over the summer when I first had my issue. It mentioned that the EPA has a Greenhouse emissions goal and that they are coordinating their efforts with other .GOV organizations. One was NHTSA (CAFE) to increase fuel mileage per gallon.

Getting close to topics not to discuss. But yes, CAFE!

 

[Gvsukids]

Check out another thread here on Scotty's BS videos

Who's got time for that?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

When I take the JT for a ride, I may hit one or two traffic lights. I would never see any savings. The burden is not on me, but as we have seen here, the numerous owners complaining of ESS. Be it lack of knowledge of how it works, actual malfunctions or driving habits that are not conducive for the ESS to work as intended. The owners didn't ask for it. The consumers burden the cost of ESS, I'm sure it's not an enhancement that the manufacturers just toss in, mandate or not.

I read an article over the summer when I first had my issue. It mentioned that the EPA has a Greenhouse emissions goal and that they are coordinating their efforts with other .GOV organizations. One was NHTSA (CAFE) to increase fuel mileage per gallon.

Getting close to topics not to discuss. But yes, CAFE!

Gonna like that one and call it good.
The EPA allows certain things for credits. I have the document somewhere but really it doesn't matter any farther here. GM chose to pay the fines instead of using their credits - FCA paid fines but if i recall had to use credits.

I guess my bottom line on this is - Scotty is just the worst possible person to get "information" from - opinions, entertainment, yeah, if you can watch him long enough, that is.

He usually appeals to the masses that don't know any better - he reminds of me of some the "mechanics" who worked in a shop I literally walked out of years ago.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Who's got time for that?

You mean you don't like good entertainment? ?

 

[FloridaMan655321]

Can't stand the guy, but I agree and turn ESS off. I just wish it was like my old BMW where if you disable it via the button, it always stays disabled unless you manually enabled or changed the drive mode to Eco. I'm getting better at remembering to disable after I start, but I still wish I didn't have to remember or do some hack BS

 

[Rob_R]

Can't stand the guy, but I agree and turn ESS off. I just wish it was like my old BMW where if you disable it via the button, it always stays disabled unless you manually enabled or changed the drive mode to Eco. I'm getting better at remembering to disable after I start, but I still wish I didn't have to remember or do some hack BS

I am with you on not being able to tolerate the ESS. The first thing I installed in my Gladiator was one of these:

https://www.autostopeliminator.com/collections/jeep/products/2020-jeep-gladiator-autostop-eliminator

It just plugs into the wiring harness behind the knee panel under the steering wheel ....no programming, no BS. The unit remembers your last setting. Turn off ESS once and never worry about it again.

 

[Flyboy2109]

I am with you on not being able to tolerate the ESS. The first thing I installed in my Gladiator was one of these:

https://www.autostopeliminator.com/collections/jeep/products/2020-jeep-gladiator-autostop-eliminator

It just plugs into the wiring harness behind the knee panel under the steering wheel ....no programming, no BS. The unit remembers your last setting. Turn off ESS once and never worry about it again.

A big thumbs up! One of the first things into my '23. Simple solution and no Tazer/mini Taser left in your diagnostic port.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

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[Mr._Bill]

I believe they are a forum sponsor?

Close, same product type.
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/forums/smartstopstart.78/

 

[kubankevin]

I am not an ESS fan personally, but I believe people should be given the option to have it on or off. Be glad we aren’t in Subaru-land where they don’t even give you a switch to shut it off. My wish list would be to give the button memory. (ESS disabler to the rescue)

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