Think Im done with Jeep, guys.

[AXISJT]

sorry for your issues... if it was me, I'd be shopping for a tacoma

I was actually considering looking at the trail hunter but the Tacoma's are already showing that heat with the turbos is going to be an issue.. One of the Tacoma beast guys put 35s on his new 24 and said it's struggling and running really high temps. That's not a good sign and turned me off of it.

I'm leaning more towards a full size at this point or if I find a slightly used one at the right price maybe going for a power wagon.

Honestly the Nissan frontier and titan are looking enticing with the way there are built they remind me of the way reliable trucks were built back in the day. There interior and exterior aren't my favorite but they seem like they will be the most trouble free truck on the road in the future with proper maintenance.

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[Solar Sparky]

Yea took a lot for me to not take it out on the service dude. He offered to give me a number to call the jeep cares people and just figured why even bother, they don't care lol

Get the number and call! They can help. They have helped me twice now. Not always easy, but stay on them. It called Jeep Wave customer support. I don’t want another truck. I’m getting ready to start using my Mojave for work road trips

 

[ZeeJay]

Unfortunately this is my only car and I am not a diesel mechanic by any means so that's not really an option. Don't really have the skill or supplies for a larger job like that.

You prolly don’t need this now, but honestly just get rid of it. That right there what you just said is the problem with almost all diesel owners, knowledge. I get so frustrated with the diesel fan boys, because I know that most of them don’t have a damn clue either, other than “it turns my 37s great”. Don’t take it personal it is what it is and you don’t know what don’t know. Diesel is different than gas and today’s engines are a hot mess, I’ll say it again not if…..it’s when on anything Tier IV compliant. There are things and calibrations at work behind the scenes in these engines that most don’t and frankly wouldn’t understand without day in day out work on the engines. Every component has a hefty price tag and labor attached. Diesel is my wheel house, I pay my mortgage with everything ranging from 3.8L to 78L, and a massive chunk of that is after treatment related. The only way to own is:
-Buy and dump before warranty is out.
-Delete it which helps but still leaves some expensive components behind, also unloads a tremendous amount of stress off engine.
-Know how to not only work on it but way more importantly troubleshoot it, still have ludicrous priced components but save the labor.
If you get the warranty thing figured awesome, decide to keep it hell yeah. I said earlier when they run great nothing better, really there isn’t. It not lost on me it’s way more potent mill than the 3.6. For larger tires or an overland set up or towing can’t beat it and still get screaming mileage. But with it being your only ride…..don’t own this

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

I was actually considering looking at the trail hunter but the Tacoma's are already showing that heat with the turbos is going to be an issue.. One of the Tacoma beast guys put 35s on his new 24 and said it's struggling and running really high temps. That's not a good sign and turned me off of it.

I'm leaning more towards a full size at this point or if I find a slightly used one at the right price maybe going for a power wagon.

Honestly the Nissan frontier and titan are looking enticing with the way there are built they remind me of the way reliable trucks were built back in the day. There interior and exterior aren't my favorite but they seem like they will be the most trouble free truck on the road in the future with proper maintenance.

Those Nissan Frontiers are awesome looking. They look pretty easy to get through tight trails too. As a bonus, they seem to the the only truck priced correctly in 2024

Edit: Jk, I guess all the midsized trucks are priced okay except the Gladiator ?

 

[chorky]

hing ranging from 3.8L to 78L, and a massive chunk of that is after treatment related. The only way to own is:
-Buy and dump before warranty is out.
-Delete it which helps but still leaves some expensive components behind, also unloads a tremendous amount of stress off engine.
-Know how to not only work on it but way more importantly troubleshoot it, still have ludicrous priced components but save the labor.
If you get the warranty thing figured awesome, decide to keep it hell yeah. I said earlier when they run great nothing better, really there isn’t. It not lost on me it’s way more potent mill than the 3.6. For larger tires or an overland set up or towing can’t beat it and still get screaming mileage. But with it being your onl

I agree with this as well. As much as it saddens me to say, because I always wanted a diesel Jeep, but today's laws and policies.....I will never own one unless there is an absolute need. I loved my old 7.3L because it was basic. Easy to work on. Relatively cheap. A IDI would have been even better. Sure they were dogs but you could replace an injector for only 500 bucks. Injectors on the 7.3L were 1200 a pop. I dont even want to think what an injector on the Jeep would cost. The reliability issues as well are a huge problem. At least from what I have seen. My dad had a 2018 cummins diesel for his Ram 3500. He ended up selling it in 2021 I think, and good thing too because that was right about the time when everyone was finding out those engines were blowing the #6 cylinder because of poor coolant circulation and a sub-par engineered engine block. Man, 80K is a LOT to dump on a truck that will have the engine blow before 100K, only to have to pay out of pocket 30K for a new engine. I personally love diesel. And if we could get past this environmentalism crap that isn't even backed by science and if we had European stye diesels that didnt have all the extra garbage on them but instead got 30-35 mpg, I would love to own one. But until that day, I think that any new vehicle, for me, will be gas. Diesel is just all kinds of problems right now due to regulations.

 

[Rusty PW]

I agree with this as well. As much as it saddens me to say, because I always wanted a diesel Jeep, but today's laws and policies.....I will never own one unless there is an absolute need. I loved my old 7.3L because it was basic. Easy to work on. Relatively cheap. A IDI would have been even better. Sure they were dogs but you could replace an injector for only 500 bucks. Injectors on the 7.3L were 1200 a pop. I dont even want to think what an injector on the Jeep would cost. The reliability issues as well are a huge problem. At least from what I have seen. My dad had a 2018 cummins diesel for his Ram 3500. He ended up selling it in 2021 I think, and good thing too because that was right about the time when everyone was finding out those engines were blowing the #6 cylinder because of poor coolant circulation and a sub-par engineered engine block. Man, 80K is a LOT to dump on a truck that will have the engine blow before 100K, only to have to pay out of pocket 30K for a new engine. I personally love diesel. And if we could get past this environmentalism crap that isn't even backed by science and if we had European stye diesels that didnt have all the extra garbage on them but instead got 30-35 mpg, I would love to own one. But until that day, I think that any new vehicle, for me, will be gas. Diesel is just all kinds of problems right now due to regulations.

The emissions in Europe is harder than the US.

Which country has the toughest emission standards?

The European Union (EU) and Japan have the most stringent standards in the world. The fuel economy and greenhouse gas emission performance of the U.S. cars and light trucks—both historically and projected based on current policies—lags behind most other nations.

 

[chorky]

Union (EU) and Japan have the most stringent standards in the world. The fuel economy and greenhouse gas emission performance of the U.S. cars and light trucks—both historically and projected based on current policies—lags behind most

Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of a particular country.

 

[DylanM]

... Sure they were dogs but you could replace an injector for only 500 bucks. Injectors on the 7.3L were 1200 a pop. I dont even want to think what an injector on the Jeep would cost.
...

They're about $500 each.
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-fuel-injector-68490022aa

 

[Rusty PW]

Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of a particular country.

Every place that is not the western world has less emissions.

 

[chorky]

Every place that is not the western world has less emissions.

Well you just contradicted yourself then. Europe is not the western world, but said that Europe has stricter emissions than the US. It's past my brain's bedtime so there is that too.

They're about $500 each.
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-fuel-injector-68490022aa

$685. Thats honestly shockingly low to me.

 

[Rusty PW]

Well you just contradicted yourself then. Europe is not the western world, but said that Europe has stricter emissions than the US. It's past my brain's bedtime so there is that too.




$685. Thats honestly shockingly low to me.

The Western world, also known as the West, primarily refers to various nations and states in the regions of Australasia, Western Europe, and Northern America; with some debate as to whether those in Eastern Europe and Latin America also constitute the West.

 

[chorky]

The Western world, also known as the West, primarily refers to various nations and states in the regions of Australasia, Western Europe, and Northern America; with some debate as to whether those in Eastern Europe and Latin America also constitute the West.

I have never considered Europe to be part of the 'western' world.

 

[Rusty PW]

I have never considered Europe to be part of the 'western' world.

Well it's western culture.

 

[ZeeJay]

I agree with this as well. As much as it saddens me to say, because I always wanted a diesel Jeep, but today's laws and policies.....I will never own one unless there is an absolute need. I loved my old 7.3L because it was basic. Easy to work on. Relatively cheap. A IDI would have been even better. Sure they were dogs but you could replace an injector for only 500 bucks. Injectors on the 7.3L were 1200 a pop. I dont even want to think what an injector on the Jeep would cost. The reliability issues as well are a huge problem. At least from what I have seen. My dad had a 2018 cummins diesel for his Ram 3500. He ended up selling it in 2021 I think, and good thing too because that was right about the time when everyone was finding out those engines were blowing the #6 cylinder because of poor coolant circulation and a sub-par engineered engine block. Man, 80K is a LOT to dump on a truck that will have the engine blow before 100K, only to have to pay out of pocket 30K for a new engine. I personally love diesel. And if we could get past this environmentalism crap that isn't even backed by science and if we had European stye diesels that didnt have all the extra garbage on them but instead got 30-35 mpg, I would love to own one. But until that day, I think that any new vehicle, for me, will be gas. Diesel is just all kinds of problems right now due to regulations.

The calibrations and internal engine conditions involved to operate and balance EGR and DOC/DPF/SCR are the killer. Aftertreatment was designed around a vehicle working near its rated speed and preferably closer to rated power. Soccer moms and dudes that wanted look cool got in the way. Now the calibrations involved to maintain those said systems are worse. The amount of heat generated at low load to correct wet stacking in the EGR and trying to keep DOC temps up is unreal. Turbos in particular take a huge brunt of that. As an example my last service truck was a 2011 Kenworth T370 with ISB6.7 with a 300hp/650ft.lbs. calibration. Truck weighed 26,200lbs. Gutless, dear baby Jesus was it gutless. Not one time in 220K miles did I ever have aftertreatment issue. Why? Rated speed and rated engine load, honestly it just yanked its guts out. Yet Billy Rays grocery getter is freaking out because of his 10 minute trips to work, motorhomes are another one that seem to always be down. The old run forever 7.3s, LB7/LLY Izuzus, and pre EPA 07 Cummins were solid. Not without BS issues. Just cutting AFM and letting them run is pretty much the only solution, problem is once that’s done you own it. Jeep won’t, hell can barely sell it. If it shits a PCM your back to whomever did that work. It sucks, bad. This tech has made a good engine platform junk

 

[biodiesel]

But with it being your only ride…..don’t own this

Regardless of the vehicle we own, I think everyone should have a backup vehicle, even if it's a beater. Having some type of transportation is critical for most of us.

The only way to own is:
-Buy and dump before warranty is out.
-Delete it which helps but still leaves some expensive components behind, also unloads a tremendous amount of stress off engine.
-Know how to not only work on it but way more importantly troubleshoot it, still have ludicrous priced components but save the labor.

I think there's some truth to this advice. I'm not a mechanic, so I've opted to put away money for repairs. With that said, our 2020 Ram EcoDiesel has been flawless since we've owned it. The 2023 Rubicon is still new, so there's not much to say about it yet. So far, it's been flawless. Below is a list of maintenance/repairs for our 2015 EcoDiesel, which is now 9 years old. Keep in mind, this truck is bone stock and lives a hard life (lots of idle time, lots of towing, lots of short commutes, cold weather operation, etc.). So far, the 2015 Ram EcoDiesel has been fairly cheap to maintain thanks to the EcoDiesel 120,000-mile AEM (emissions settlement) warranty.

Date	Mileage	Part Description	Part #	Cost
02/11/21	92,313	Water Pump	68211202AB	Powertrain Warranty
08/10/21	96,304	Front Shocks Rear Shocks	Bilstein 24-187343 4600 series Bilstein 24-187350 4600 series Labor	$204.00 per pair $152.00 per pair $280.00
09/01/21	97,036	Lower Ball Joints	N/A Labor Wheel Alignment	$199.90 $211.46 $119.95
07/20/22	105,715	Driver side CV Axle	Mopar 68028398AC Labor	$381.89 $211.80
08/27/22	106,964	Rear Cab Exhausters	Mopar 68323649AB	$12.44 per pair
10/28/22	109,119	Battery	Odyssey AGM49H8L5	$312.46
09/15/23	113,732	NOx Sensor - upstream NOx Sensor - downstream	Mopar 68250217AB Mopar 68250214AB	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
09/27/23	114,118	DEF Injector DEF Pump	Mopar 68438682AA Mopar 68232842AD	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
11/21/23	115,542	EGR Valve Cooler Bushing x 2 EGR Tube Gasket x 2 O-ring x 2	Mopar 68483334AA Mopar 68490221AA Mopar 68211320AA Mopar 68150060AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty

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