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Be in the classic car and restoration hobby or business........
We had a nice chat Tuesday at our street rod coffee about how many of us are losing some retirement money thanks to China and cheap replacement parts being made left and right.
I have a factory new, never installed, 1 year only grill on my shelf - thanks to China and those doing parts reproductions, the price of that grill? Worthless. 10 years ago it was worth 2 grand. Now it's not worth the price to ship it. Tail lights, body parts, prices have gone down the toilet and many of us are standing on huge investments in parts - made worthless by cheap stuff from China.
well, think of the flipside. Everyone with classics can now restore them for a fraction of the cost!
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Well, if this is CAD and not USD. The top of the line Rubicon (prior to options) would be $56,550 USD and Sport would be just shy of $36,000 USD. Which I am assuming they are referring too.

But we know with Jeep options they are EXPENSIVE! The stock trim doesn't seem to get much nowadays and you are having to add options to get basic amenities.
I don't quite understand what options are required to get to "basic amenities?" I think there is more stuff on a basic Jeep than is needed anyway. Even the most basic Gladiator or Wrangler now has power windows. I nearly bought a new '24 Max Tow that was one of the last to have regular windows but it had that recall on the dash gauges and they couldn't get the replacement parts from Jeep so there it sat behind the building. Finally, they told me it was "gone", whatever gone meant.

Anyway, A/C, Stereo, Power Windows and Locks among other things are standard equipment. Then people add stuff that is specifically what they want. I think it's great that you have the option of getting what many considered a loaded vehicle (Mojave, Rubicon), a basic vehicle, or one somewhere in between (Willys, Nighthawk, High Tide, etc.).

Personally, the only thing missing, IMO, on a basic Jeep is the optional Safety Group that includes the blind spot detection. It also includes, for some reason, LED tail lights which I guess are a safety feature when you are driving backwards down a highway at night?

But I really don't know what is needed on a standard Jeep to get "basic amenities."
 
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I don't quite understand what options are required to get to "basic amenities?" I think there is more stuff on a basic Jeep than is needed anyway.
American car consumers have come to expect a minimum level of standard features that, when coupled to the endless litany of government mandated requirements for safety, operation, fuel economy, etc the cost gets up there and quickly. And it isn't coming back.

It isn't economically practical at scale to offer everything optional like they used to so hence the bundling of options as trim levels. Toyota really pioneered it and the rest of the industry more or less adopted it.
 

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It isn't economically practical at scale to offer everything optional like they used to so hence the bundling of options as trim levels. Toyota really pioneered it and the rest of the industry more or less adopted it.
Sometimes i wonder what other vehicles some people have bought over the years.
Features have been "bundled" for many years. At times, it's with a trim level, other times it's just how they come. I could go back to order sheets from the 70s and show that you couldn't cherry pick every option even back then. If you wanted X, you had to take Y..
I think they've gone a bit overboard with the thing about the tonneau cover - if you want one, you MUST spend an extra $1,000 to $2,000 and get it with one of two packages. It was you could pick that item - but to have to spend an extra grand when the package choices have zero to do with the cover? Really?
At least some things do make sense if you step back a bit.
When my wife was buying Grand Cherokees - it was very simple - get this level, add tow package, you have EVERYTHING she wanted. Go up a level you got more stuff standard, down a level it was stripped a bit. The dealership order screen was quite simple - this level had only TWO options. One was a smokers package, the other a tow package. (ironically, the tow package got you a full sized matching spare tire and wheel)
 

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Sometimes i wonder what other vehicles some people have bought over the years.
Features have been "bundled" for many years. At times, it's with a trim level, other times it's just how they come. I could go back to order sheets from the 70s and show that you couldn't cherry pick every option even back then. If you wanted X, you had to take Y..
I think they've gone a bit overboard with the thing about the tonneau cover - if you want one, you MUST spend an extra $1,000 to $2,000 and get it with one of two packages. It was you could pick that item - but to have to spend an extra grand when the package choices have zero to do with the cover? Really?
At least some things do make sense if you step back a bit.
When my wife was buying Grand Cherokees - it was very simple - get this level, add tow package, you have EVERYTHING she wanted. Go up a level you got more stuff standard, down a level it was stripped a bit. The dealership order screen was quite simple - this level had only TWO options. One was a smokers package, the other a tow package. (ironically, the tow package got you a full sized matching spare tire and wheel)
You are correct. In '24, to get the Navigation Package in the Gladiator, you had to order the Convenience Group (garage door opener or something, heated seats, steering wheel and whatever). The convenience group was about $1,400 if I remember correctly. Not sure what any of that has to do with a Navigation system. This applies to a lot of the packages that Jeep offers, unfortunately.

It's odd in its own way.
 

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Just lovely. I’m in Canada and this just lowered my vehicle value even more than it already was. I know they aren’t investments, and they depreciate, but this makes them depreciate faster.
Although good for the jeep community. Get more people in them I suppose.
Exactly right, they just dumped the value of your Canadian Jeep fleet. They've dumped the price here in NZ too, calling it a 'runout special' with massive discounts. I doubt they can actually afford to dump $10k+ off their retails, so I think there's more to it. They might be dropping the line altogether.
 

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You are correct. In '24, to get the Navigation Package in the Gladiator, you had to order the Convenience Group (garage door opener or something, heated seats, steering wheel and whatever). The convenience group was about $1,400 if I remember correctly. Not sure what any of that has to do with a Navigation system. This applies to a lot of the packages that Jeep offers, unfortunately.

It's odd in its own way.
It saves them $$……. and makes them $$ all at the same time.

It saves them $$ from the production standpoint. Bundling packages = more units that have the same build sheet. They can setup the production line to stay up and running longer with minimal delays, slowdowns, or shutdowns. The longer the equipment runs uninterrupted the better. Time is $.

And obviously, it makes them $$ because you are forced into buying everything else in those packages.
 

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It saves them $$……. and makes them $$ all at the same time.

It saves them $$ from the production standpoint. Bundling packages = more units that have the same build sheet. They can setup the production line to stay up and running longer with minimal delays, slowdowns, or shutdowns. The longer the equipment runs uninterrupted the better. Time is $.

And obviously, it makes them $$ because you are forced into buying everything else in those packages.
I definitely agree. Their marketing and finance people analyze this stuff and figure that more people will pay for the additional stuff as opposed to people like me who would see the list of unwanted things and simply not buy the bundle. It works fine if the person is ordering a vehicle but in many, if not most cases, people are buying what's already in stock.

So in my case like many others, I ended up with far more stuff than I would have ever ordered myself (such as garage door opener [I have no garage], heated seats, heated steering wheel [a seat and steering wheel cooler would have been a welcome option here in South Florida]) among others. But, it was on the lot, and the big discounts (30+ percent) at the time were on in-stock units. So goes life.
 

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Sometimes i wonder what other vehicles some people have bought over the years.
Features have been "bundled" for many years. At times, it's with a trim level, other times it's just how they come. I could go back to order sheets from the 70s and show that you couldn't cherry pick every option even back then. If you wanted X, you had to take Y..
I think they've gone a bit overboard with the thing about the tonneau cover - if you want one, you MUST spend an extra $1,000 to $2,000 and get it with one of two packages. It was you could pick that item - but to have to spend an extra grand when the package choices have zero to do with the cover? Really?
At least some things do make sense if you step back a bit.
When my wife was buying Grand Cherokees - it was very simple - get this level, add tow package, you have EVERYTHING she wanted. Go up a level you got more stuff standard, down a level it was stripped a bit. The dealership order screen was quite simple - this level had only TWO options. One was a smokers package, the other a tow package. (ironically, the tow package got you a full sized matching spare tire and wheel)
All of the above is spot on.

My point is the all the options only in packages phenomenon hit the gas when the more manufacturers adopted Toyota's Just In Time manufacturing logic.
 

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All of the above is spot on.

My point is the all the options only in packages phenomenon hit the gas when the more manufacturers adopted Toyota's Just In Time manufacturing logic.
I love how all of the articles in manufacturing digests, wikipedia and so on totally ignore the fact that AMC followed that in the 1950s due to their cash flow problems and being a small company trying to compete with the likes of FoMoCo, GM and Chrysler.
There is a news article hanging on a wall at the Rambler Ranch museum showing the then head of AMC and talking about how the small company had to adopt the philosophy back then - before it made it to other countries from either Japan or USA. Wiki has other companies in the UK and Australia using it in the 70s "before it was adopted anywhere here. Laughable. I wonder if I have a photo of the article - took a lot of pictures when I was there.
 
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I love how all of the articles in manufacturing digests, wikipedia and so on totally ignore the fact that AMC followed that in the 1950s due to their cash flow problems and being a small company trying to compete with the likes of FoMoCo, GM and Chrysler.
There is a new article hanging on a wall at the Rambler Ranch museum showing the then head of AMC and talking about how the small company had to adopt the philosophy back then - before it made it to other countries from either Japan or USA. Wiki has other companies in the UK and Australia using it in the 70s "before it was adopted anywhere here. Laughable. I wonder if I have a photo of the article - took a lot of pictures when I was there.
Dammit, Bill. You and your knowledge of esoteric AMC history wins again!
 

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I'm curious why no one has commented about this tidbit
The 2026 Jeep Gladiator lineup is available to order now and will arrive at dealerships later this year.
I've been checking build-it pages here in US, and as of today i havent found an active build/order page. I'm looking to see if the V8 option is going to be available. Is there a CAN build page?...
 

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. I'm looking to see if the V8 option is going to be available. Is there a CAN build page?...
Don't waste your time - check the multiple threads on hemi and V8 here - there will be no V8 for 2026.
 

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Ive visited or contacted 4-5 dealers for a mojave and only 1 knows they lowered the prices for the 2026’s. Ive tried getting a heavily discounted 2025 in the last couple weeks and 2 of those 5 dealers have literally said to me the 26’s wont have the 15% discount when i said i might as well order a 2026 if youre not willing to come down in price.
Their OTD after tax is still mid $60’s. This is $11k in adjustment and EC (employee discount)
Im not looking for a UNICEF case from them but why would anyone pay $65k for a year old truck when a 26 could be ordered for the same price. One dealer said OTD would be $76 after tax.

Another got upset when we asked him to price match a dealer willing to locate the truck on his lot to a local one near me. He got angry and said “your not getting this truck thru your dealer, youre getting it thru me and that is our lowest price.. i dont know how they’re discounting a truck that isnt theirs.” basically a “im taking my ball and going home attitude”

i told him my dealer is larger and willing to take a hit to make a sale. My dealer also knew about the 26’s pricing and could order me one now. She went on vacation this week so im hoping to hear back monday.
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