IFS coming in 2029?

[Supazuk]

Do you remember when Coke went New Coke, Ford tried to make the mustang the ford probe maybe the Harley water cooled Vrod or more recently dare we talk about cracker barrel
Everyone of these was done for the same reason, to actually bring the customer a superior product what killed all of thes is brand loyalty and nostalga.
You are all, right most soccer Family's don't know anything about their Wrangler nor off road it,
However they are buying a lifestyle, a promise that they have the toughest off-roader in the cul-de-sac
The IFS jeep has been floated since the TJ every year was the last for the Solid axle, I guarantee it would get the same result as the examples listed above in a how dare you ruin my tough jeep Brand ... that they never use

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[ShadowsPapa]

GM did it for years with the square body same frame, 2WD IFS, 4WD solid axle
as super duty the same

GM also has been the biggest, alongside Ford, for years. Today, with the UAW literally running things, it would be a very expensive undertaking.
We are also talking 2 vs 4 wheel drive, so they are very different vehicles, not just ifs vs solid live axle.
The whole thing, transmission, driveshaft, and more, very different

 

[Jrgunn5150]

GM did it for years with the square body same frame, 2WD IFS, 4WD solid axle
as super duty the same

Neither of those have the same frame.

That's why both of them require additional mods to swap to 4x4.

 

[Supazuk]

Neither of those have the same frame.

That's why both of them require additional mods to swap to 4x4.

no conversion needed on the 73-87 1/2 ton frames cut rivets and swap parts done it both ways
3/4 and 1 ton is differant

 

[Sweetums]

GM did it for years with the square body same frame, 2WD IFS, 4WD solid axle
as super duty the same

That's much easier to do if you don't have to worry about a front diff or driveshaft. You can just build a frame with mounts for both solid axle control arms and tapped holes to mount IFS on a bracket that bolts on. As soon as you have a front diff for 4WD with IFS you will run into clearance problems for the CVs.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's much easier to do if you don't have to worry about a front diff or driveshaft. You can just build a frame with mounts for both solid axle control arms and tapped holes to mount IFS on a bracket that bolts on. As soon as you have a front diff for 4WD with IFS you will run into clearance problems for the CVs.

You should see the tricks AMC had to pull to get an IFS suspension with that front differential and those axles on the Eagle. It wasn't easy, and lifting - you tend to break things. Some people like to lift those cars, but it's a very complex undertaking and you mess up the front axles on big articulation and tight turns.
So, how do some handle it? LOL - put a solid live axle under the front!
They get rid of the IFS.

 

[Sweetums]

Solid axles are simpler and stronger than IFS and superior in articulation - I've said that since the beginning of this discussion and said it for decades before. But that doesn't mean it's "better" than independent suspension, it means it's better for certain use cases. The same is true for independent suspension, it's better than solid axles depending on use case.

Different tools for different jobs. There is a reason every passenger vehicle uses independent suspension, it's the right tool for that use case. A mix of IFS and solid rear is adequate for most people doing mild to moderate off road driving, I focused on getting max flex out of the back end of my Nissan and was able to do trails and obstacles that people didn't think were possible with my setup (my 2" lift rear flexed so well that I had to use off road Titan brake lines made for a 6" lift, and those were just barely long enough).
Solid front and rear is, lets face it, an anachronism these days and exists for the enthusiast off road driver. The same way small light weight cars with manual transmissions are aimed at a very small subset of the market.

There are lots of other reasons people buy Jeeps, like taking the doors and roof off, but we aren't here to talk about other market draws to the vehicles.

 

[biodiesel]

If Jeep offered both IFS and SFA, then we can guess which trims would receive the appropriate chassis. The Mojave and Sahara would be the top trim levels for the IFS and the Rubicon and Willys would be the top trim levels for the SFA.

The Mojave for sure could benefit from the IFS, especially if Jeep wants to take it to the next level. Most of the top desert racing vehicles use IFS due to superior handling and stability. The Sahara is known for luxury which is where the IFS would shine.

 

[biodiesel]

Different tools for different jobs. A mix of IFS and solid rear is adequate for most people doing mild to moderate off road driving,

We really liked our Jeep Liberty CRD with the solid rear axle and front IFS. It handled extremely well and was perfect for mild to moderate off-roading.

 

[Sweetums]

I will never forgive the KJ for replacing the XJ.

Basically me when the KJ was announced:

 

[biodiesel]

I will never forgive the KJ for replacing the XJ.

Jeep has made a few critical mistakes over the years, and that was one of them. I liked the KJ, but it should not have been the replacement for the XJ.

On a side note, we replaced our XJ and KJ with the Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel. I can say with confidence that we'll be keeping the Gladiator for 20+ years. It's the perfect utilitarian truck.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Jeep has made a few critical mistakes over the years, and that was one of them. I liked the KJ, but it should not have been the replacement for the XJ.

On a side note, we replaced our XJ and KJ with the Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel. I can say with confidence that we'll be keeping the Gladiator for 20+ years. It's the perfect utilitarian truck.

When are you getting your check from Stihl for the promotional work?

 

[biodiesel]

When are you getting your check from Stihl for the promotional work?

That would be nice!

 

[AmosMoses]

If I wanted an IFS offroad commuter Id just get a bronco or taco.

 

[biodiesel]

If I wanted an IFS offroad commuter Id just get a bronco or taco.

And that's exactly what Jeep (Stellantis) doesn't want to hear, which is why they're making more vehicles (models) that appeal to a larger audience.

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