Confirmed: Gladiator 4xe coming in 2025. JT Gladiator production continues into 2028

[Rusty PW]

EXACTLY! Adding a new home to the grid adds far more load to it than an EV charger - and yet you sure don't hear any fearmongering about that (and new homes are going up at a record pace in my area). I work for a large electric/gas utility and you better believe they are licking their chops at the additional revenue they plan to earn as a result. They absolutely WILL add new generation to keep up with demand - and indeed already are - and much of it is renewable energy... solar and wind farms, pumped storage, etc. That's all great, but the real future is SMRs (Small Modular Reactors - Google it). Expect this to become a BIG thing in the next 10 years as it is the BEST source of reliable, constant non-emitting generation. It produces 24/7 - even when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing - and utilities won't have to take the huge financial risks of building traditional large reactors. SMRs are coming... bet on it.

I see you're in SC. Duke Energy? I worked for them for 15 years as a senior control room operator at a natural gas fired combine cycle power plant. Just about every wind farm they built. They sold. They were losing money on them. 2 of my plant managers went to manage wind farms. Both quit the position and found other jobs.

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[JTGuy]

I worked for SCE for 42 years. I did the commercial industrial 3 phase metering, smart meters and all. I don't want an EV or hybrid for anything other than a GG in town.

 

[Camaroboi13]

My neighbor has a model 3 long range and it cost him around $43 a month to charge it at home and that gets him 300+ miles of driving each times he charges it. He drives around 1200 miles a month. He said it beats the $200 plus he was spending on his Mercedes E350 to drive the same distance.

So your neighbor is saving 28 dollars per month to drive an electric car, and he's happy with that?

1200 miles, 300 per charge is 4 charges per month. 43 bucks per charge makes it 172 dollars per month. Tell your neighbor to trade the Tesla in for a Mercedes E250 BlueTec and he'll only have to fill up twice a month. 40 plus miles per gallon in an E class, hard to beat that.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

So your neighbor is saving 28 dollars per month to drive an electric car, and he's happy with that?

1200 miles, 300 per charge is 4 charges per month. 43 bucks per charge makes it 172 dollars per month. Tell your neighbor to trade the Tesla in for a Mercedes E250 BlueTec and he'll only have to fill up twice a month. 40 plus miles per gallon in an E class, hard to beat that.

He charges at home and it cost him $43 total for the whole month extra on his power bill to charge the Tesla to Drive 1200 miles. He pays $43 to charge it for entire month and $43 gets him 1200 miles of driving.

 

[Raven65]

I see you're in SC. Duke Energy? I worked for them for 15 years as a senior control room operator at a natural gas fired combine cycle power plant. Just about every wind farm they built. They sold. They were losing money on them. 2 of my plant managers went to manage wind farms. Both quit the position and found other jobs.

Actually Dominion Energy (Formerly SCANA/SCE&G). D.E. is investing heavily in renewables and has committed to being net zero emissions by 2050 (a long way off, but a big deal for an electric utility). They have many solar farms and are currently in the process of building a huge off-shore wind farm off the coast of VA right now. I personally believe that both solar and wind are merely stop-gap measures and that the bulk of future non-emitting generation will be from SMR's (small modular reactors) - which will be able generate around the clock no matter if the wind is blowing or the sun is shining or not. We'll probably see the first of these go on-line in a decade or so.

 

[JTGuy]

I watched a U tube video on the 4XE. it's. a very complicated machine. No one will want one with no warranty to cover the repairs. In So Cal the SCE top tier KWH is about 42cents. A 100 KWH charge will cost you at least $42, probably more with line losses. There is no free lunch.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Actually Dominion Energy (Formerly SCANA/SCE&G). D.E. is investing heavily in renewables and has committed to being net zero emissions by 2050 (a long way off, but a big deal for an electric utility). They have many solar farms and are currently in the process of building a huge off-shore wind farm off the coast of VA right now. I personally believe that both solar and wind are merely stop-gap measures and that the bulk of future non-emitting generation will be from SMR's (small modular reactors) - which will be able generate around the clock no matter if the wind is blowing or the sun is shining or not. We'll probably see the first of these go on-line in a decade or so.

They just cancelled the SMR they were going to build here next year at the INL because the numbers didn't work out.

 

[JTGuy]

You want a hybrid JT go for it. Get the longest warranty you can and dump it just before it is over. There are just too many things to kill it. You won't know what the problem is, what part it is, where the part is, if it's even a part. The electric power is probably made in a coal fired plant. If I want an electric GG I will just get a plug in electric car. Rivian?? I also like the plan of the new Ramcharger with the Pentastar just being a gen and no drivetrain.

 

[Raven65]

They just cancelled the SMR they were going to build here next year at the INL because the numbers didn't work out.

SMRs are still in their infancy, but they are coming. The first prototypes went online in Russia in just the last couple of years in Russia and China. Many designs are still in development. I believe D.E. has narrowed that list down to just a couple that they are still analyzing and trying to decide between (above my pay grade... I'm just an I.T. guy... LOL). I'd wager that the "numbers" will start working out soon. The company I worked for for 19 years - a Fortune 500 company that had been around for 100 years - went bankrupt trying to build two new large conventional reactors due to mismanagement and huge cost overruns (as is typical with building any new nuclear plant) and was subsequently acquired by D.E. That risk is why we haven't seen any new reactors in this country for the past 20 years - until Southern Company in GA just this past year completed the same project (also with massive overages) that killed my company. The big advantage of SMR's is the cost to the utility company is basically fixed so the vast majority of the risk of building one is removed. The manufacturer builds them off-site and delivers a functioning reactor. Instead of building one large reactor, several SMR's are deployed instead. I fully expect that we'll start seeing them going on-line here within the next decade.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

SMRs are still in their infancy, but they are coming. The first prototypes went online in Russia in just the last couple of years in Russia and China. Many designs are still in development. I believe D.E. has narrowed that list down to just a couple that they are still analyzing and trying to decide between (above my pay grade... I'm just an I.T. guy... LOL). I'd wager that the "numbers" will start working out soon. The company I worked for for 19 years - a Fortune 500 company that had been around for 100 years - went bankrupt trying to build two new large conventional reactors due to mismanagement and huge cost overruns (as is typical with building any new nuclear plant) and was subsequently acquired by D.E. That risk is why we haven't seen any new reactors in this country for the past 20 years - until Southern Company in GA just this past year completed the same project (also with massive overages) that killed my company. The big advantage of SMR's is the cost to the utility company is basically fixed so the vast majority of the risk of building one is removed. The manufacturer builds them off-site and delivers a functioning reactor. Instead of building one large reactor, several SMR's are deployed instead. I fully expect that we'll start seeing them going on-line here within the next decade.

The SMRs they just pulled the plug on were the DoE funded ones they have been working on at the INL for ~10 years now. We may get them eventually, but now that the only US developer with NRC approval just walked away, it's going to be longer than 10 years before someone else tries.

 

[Geoarch]

I'd love a Gladiator 4xe if they could keep the cost down, but I'm not paying another $10k-$15k over the already too high Gladiator 3.6 MSRP for it. We'll see how they price it, but I'm not optimistic.

That's my take as well. We have a RAV4 Prime PHEV with rooftop solar, and it's great, but I'm not paying 100 grand for a PHEV Gladiator. I love my JTR MT, so I won't go for the PHEV until the price comes down. The top salaries now are just under $100, 000 a year at Toledo, and I'm happy for them, but to stay in business they'll have to offer a decent price, or by 2028 the Gladiators will be gone, and since they're only promising "through 2028" that could be it.

 

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[bleda2002]

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[Geometricwoodbutcher]

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? dropped it in wrong thread

 

[Jobofly]

My wife just got a Willys 4xe and I have to say that it is pretty badass. I installed a 40 amp fast charger in the garage. Full charge from 0% in 2 hours. she gets 27 miles on a full charge. We have had it almost a month and have yet to add fuel. When the JT comes out with a 4xe I will be all over it.

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