Rubicon steel bumper ‘winch ready”?

[Lost1wing]

...warn winch plate

That first pic is what I would call "winch ready" FCA (Stellantis).

If you go out and purchase a Winch, you should be able to bolt it on.

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[Bird Dog]

Smitty fit factory OEM without any cutting or grinding. Used GRIMM winch plate

 

[Flash 2004]

That first pic is what I would call "winch ready" FCA (Stellantis).

If you go out and purchase a Winch, you should be able to bolt it on.

First pic, My pic?

 

[Vtur]

Fyi. The factory Rubicon X winch bumper fairlead opening is narrower and taller than the optional steel bumper. I bought the Mopar fairlead for mine but it didn't fits.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Fyi. The factory Rubicon X winch bumper fairlead opening is narrower and taller than the optional steel bumper. I bought the Mopar fairlead for mine but it didn't fits.

Really? I didn't realize there was any difference.
Are you referring to the optional steel bumper for Rubicon from say 2023 and earlier?
I've got a Mojave X and didn't note a difference between it and the knock-off Rubicon bumper I had. I'd hope it would be taller because my rope rubbed on the bottom edge of the steel bumper opening before.

 

[Vtur]

Really? I didn't realize there was any difference.
Are you referring to the optional steel bumper for Rubicon from say 2023 and earlier?
I've got a Mojave X and didn't note a difference between it and the knock-off Rubicon bumper I had. I'd hope it would be taller because my rope rubbed on the bottom edge of the steel bumper opening before.

Yeah. It's taller because the new Mopar fairlead has a raised opening edge that recessed inside the bumper opening. I think they designed that way to prevent lateral pull on the fairlead when stretching the hook on the holder.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah. It's taller because the new Mopar fairlead has a raised opening edge that recessed inside the bumper opening. I think they designed that way to prevent lateral pull on the fairlead when stretching the hook on the holder.

I may look into a different fairlead for mine as the badland is so thick and has an almost square edge on the inner edge meaning the rope may drag on the square lower edge of the bumper opening or the square inside bottom edge of the fairlead.
I'll look for a pic of the MOPAR fairlead.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah. It's taller because the new Mopar fairlead has a raised opening edge that recessed inside the bumper opening. I think they designed that way to prevent lateral pull on the fairlead when stretching the hook on the holder.

I looked up the MOPAR fairlead and see exactly what you mean.
The good is that it would prevent any rubbing on the bottom edge of the bumper ...............
the bad is that it is made for a narrow spool winch like the custom Warn winch Jeep uses on installs from the factory. It's a Warn winch, but with a more narrow spool. Not so sure a narrow fairlead would work on a wide spool winch.
Maybe some experts or those who have tried such a thing can answer that. You want the rope to wind each layer edge-to-edge of the spool, a full wind before turning back and starting the next layer.
It would seem that a narrow fairlead would prevent a full layer side-to-side before turning back.
In fact, you can hold the rope by hand and keep it from going clear to the edge if you aren't careful.

Comments from winch experts? I know they exist.

Narrow fairlead on a wide spool or normal width spool like the non-Jeep Warn winches or the Badland Apex models with synthetic rope - would the fairlead prevent full wrap layers?

 

[Jaxmax]

I have a narrow spool winch (50’ of line) and I don’t see my Factor 55 or Warn narrow fairleads working on a standard spool winch. I think you are correct Bill about not getting level wraps and if you did manage to , there would be side drag and at pretty severe angle. I am no expert ….Jack

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have a narrow spool winch (50’ of line) and I don’t see my Factor 55 or Warn narrow fairleads working on a standard spool winch. I think you are correct Bill about not getting level wraps and if you did manage to , there would be side drag and at pretty severe angle. I am no expert ….Jack

Expert enough. You know things. I respect your opinions, too.
Rats, really really like the idea of the MOPAR fairlead (and the built-in spot for the hook) but the more I think on it, the more I think there would be side-load on angle pulls (when do you really get to winch in a totally straight line from the winch) and then spooling the rope back up......... darn.

 

[Jaxmax]

Looked into it a little bit the factory supplied Warn winch is made for Mopar and is based on the Zeon 8S but has a smaller drum that holds 90 feet of line instead of a 100 feet so drum might be smaller but probably is
not Narrow drum size. The fairlead is nice I would not see any side loading issues using a Mopar winch plate as the plate , bumper and fairlead are tied together with the fairlead bolt.. …So why build a slightly narrower spool 8,000 Zeon winch with only ten feet of less line, when Warn has the badass 9,000RC winch with fifty foot of line and total weight including the shipping box and packing of 54lbs. and uses fairleads from other companies although choices are few. Probably because 9000RC is expensive.
Bill you have to admit the closure plate and recessed fairlead make for a nice look!…Jack

 

[Lost1wing]

First pic, My pic?

The first picture that I quoted.

 

[Pismo61]

Looked into it a little bit the factory supplied Warn winch is made for Mopar and is based on the Zeon 8S but has a smaller drum that holds 90 feet of line instead of a 100 feet so drum might be smaller but probably is
not Narrow drum size. The fairlead is nice I would not see any side loading issues using a Mopar winch plate as the plate , bumper and fairlead are tied together with the fairlead bolt.. …So why build a slightly narrower spool 8,000 Zeon winch with only ten feet of less line, when Warn has the badass 9,000RC winch with fifty foot of line and total weight including the shipping box and packing of 54lbs. and uses fairleads from other companies although choices are few. Probably because 9000RC is expensive.
Bill you have to admit the closure plate and recessed fairlead make for a nice look!…Jack

bamwholesaleparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-p5160095ac-winch-kit-warn-zeon-8-s-jeep-wrangler-gladiator-2007-2025-mopar-oem-p5160095ac?c=bD0xJm49U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHM%3D Is this the Mopar winch?This has 100 feet of rope.

 

[Jaxmax]

Well the guys that are trying to put them in say smaller drum, different fairlead , different hole in bumper guess we should check with Benny at Allmoparparts.com and see if bumpers and winches are different.I’ll reach out. Still seems odd to throw a wrench in the works and make things difficult for new owners looking to put a winch on X models.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

but probably is
not Narrow drum size.

The guys on the Wrangler side have measured and the thing is more narrow, by inches.
I should have bookmarked those pages........



Yes, the factory-installed Jeep Warn winch is significantly narrower than the standard aftermarket Warn Zeon winch. The factory model is a custom design with a shorter winch drum that holds less rope, allowing it to fit the dimensions of the factory steel bumper and frame rails.

Key differences in width

• Shorter drum: The center section of the factory Warn winch is about 2.25 to 2.5 inches shorter in length compared to the standard Zeon. This was done to provide clearance for the frame rails and potentially for weight savings.
• Reduced rope capacity: The narrower drum of the factory winch holds less synthetic rope—90 feet, compared to the standard 100 feet on the aftermarket Zeon 8-S or 10-S.
• Different fairlead: The factory winch uses a narrower fairlead to match the shorter drum. If you were to replace the factory winch with an aftermarket Zeon, you would need to use a wider fairlead to prevent the line from bunching up on the shorter drum.

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