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[ecidiego]

The Mojave has a factory lift bruh....

It ain't a "lift" if it's stock bruh. That's like saying a Mustang GT is modded over a 4 banger because it has a V8.

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[Zachanadandy]

And you juuuuust had to buy the Mojave and pay the premium for...some washboards? You could of bought a sahara and put some shocks on it and saved 20k.

Your BS excuse of why you bought a Mojave doesn't work on me bruh. I know why you bought it. Even if you won't admit it.

Washboards at 100mph aren't fun in a Sahara unless you're buying $6k in shocks and bumpstops along with a bunch of other mods. And I bought the mojave when they were offering the crazy discounts on them. Msrp was $65k, I paid $52k out the door. I'm not sure you could build a JT that could hang for less, and it wouldn't have seat heaters for those cold mornings camping, leather, or a rear locker for when I end up on trails like this

 

[ecidiego]

A Gladiator will far outperform a Wrangler on bad roads at speed. The wheelbase is king there, that's why there isn't a Mojave Wrangler.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Menaces of the road!!

 

[Stan H]

You drive a mojave. Was that the old wise man in you saying "Ah yes Mojave very smart wise choice" or the 16 year old in you saying "AHH lift jeep, me have fun"

Which was it when you bought your Mojave? hmmmmmmmm?

But i agree with you, because of their popularity and affordability there is a buyer group that makes the real car guys also look bad. But they are not all like that. Problem is, mustang used to make 225hp, and just about anyone could handle it. Today, gen 1-4 coyote's making 412hp+ mine 2024 gen4 makes 480 stock, and most people especially newer drivers don't realize how quick that can get away from you if you don't know what you're doing and there is the problem.

I personally think the UK system that does GPS location and doesn't give you full power unless you are at a track would be smart for guys under 21. That way they could learn it and gain the experience before getting all of it. Like limits it to 300hp until 21 years old.

That is what Jeep did for us when they gave us this 285hp 260torque behemoth we are driving.

 

[Zachanadandy]

It's really not a big deal. L3 charging can add 100 miles in like 10 minutes. An EV will use far less energy off roading than a gas vehicle. 5mph speeds would probably get you 200 miles instead of 100.

Earlier this year I ran 3 EV charger projects installing the latest ultra fast chargers. 350kW chargers, Tesla superchargers are only 150kW for reference. That's 200+ miles of range in 12 minutes. Our stops at the truck stops take longer than that in the Jeep by the time you gas up, go use the restroom, buybsome drinks, and take the dogs to relieve themselves. With the charger technology getting where it is now it's not far off from being as quick as getting gas.

 

[GeekJT]

Show me one example of a RWD street car outrunning a plaid on the road? I don't think it's remotely realistic because as you said traction is very limiting and you can't just add power to compensate. It's the reason why nobody could beat Ken block in the hoonicorn on an unpreped airstrip in anything RWD. It's not the power is the traction.

Listen to what you just said

"Show me some 30-40k cars that are beating 100-110k cars. How about we talk apples to apples.

2024 Rezvani Beast
2025 ZR1 Corvette
GT-R R35
Ferrari 812 Superfast
McLaren 720S
Lamborghini Huracán Performante
Porsche 911 Turbo S

All would beat the tesla plaid in a 0-200mph race.


Even a mustang darkhorse or GT PP/PP2 would out stop it 70-0 by 10s of feet. One thing to be fast, but the other performance factors matter too, stoping power Tesla is weak on, turning performance, Tesla is weaker and destroys it's tires doing any real performance turning like on an auto track. So coming at me like Tesla is the best at everything, come on now. It has a pro (fast in a straight line) but then it's cons really hurt it. It's heavy, it's gonna eat tires. In an auto course, it's gonna pit more.

Man have any of you guys been to any tracks and know what your talking about, or just make stuff up on a whim?

 

[ecidiego]

Well - "self driving" is dumb. Remove that from the equation. AI overview is just an LLM parsing a few things it searches.

 

[smlobx]

What kills the battery is charge cycles and keeping the battery above 80% charge or below a 20% charge. Just like any lipo battery. There is nothing special about the battery cells, we know exactly what they are and how they last. Don't need AI to tell us how a lipo ages.

5years, you'll be in the 89-80% battery life range with normal charge cycles. If you charge more or "every night" you are killing it faster.

The bigger problem is Resell values on ev's recently has been tanking. I mean they make these "futuristic" cars and they never age well. Dodge is famous for it, Tesla will be too. Anytime you do a bunch of gimmicks using computers, in 5 years the "new" computers will make the old ones obsolete, so the 5 year Tesla will seem very dated compared to new ones.

But since i know most of you guys don't really know much about cars just kind of talk out the rear, I'll back up what I'm saying with something called facts.

Used Tesla prices depreciated more than any other automaker in 2024
https://www.fastcompany.com/91289006/tesla-prices-depreciated-more-than-any-other-automaker-in-2024

Tesla Values Are Tanking Three Times Faster Than Any Other Brand
https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-depreciation-high/

2024 Vehicle Depreciation Report Released by Black Book and Fitch Ratings
https://www.blackbook.com/2024-vehicle-depreciation-report-released-by-black-book-and-fitch-ratings/

Hybrid and electric cars typically don't hold their value
https://caredge.com/tesla/depreciation

So yea EV has a problem. I wonder what that has to do with? HMM, battery age, and when they get into the 89-80% life age range nobody wants them because knowledgeable people know that battery will die pretty quick. Things that kill that battery? Fast charging, miles, hot climate, cold climate, driving that pulls a lot out of the battery, like racing, drag racing, etc. Daily charges, etc. and literally no Tesla owner treats them right, pure speculation, but i'd be willing to bet something like 80-90% of the owners don't even understand the battery and how it and what ages (damages) it. Had one tell me he keeps his at 100% as much as possible here in houston during hurricane season so he's ready to go. seriously how many of them are doing that... probably most of them.

It's like buying a 5-7 year old iphone and expecting the battery to be great. Ya at least have to own up to the fact there is PROS and CONS to everything, Teslas have their own unique set of pros and cons.

Jesus your ignorance is amazing….

I‘ll bet that most of us are car guys to one extent or another and I’ll bet that I have rebuilt more engines than you..
I’ve also raced on more race tracks than you.
I’ve also instructed more people how to drive fast on a race track than you and that includes some who work for 3 letter agencies..

The other thing you obviously don’t know anything about is that many EV get updates over the air, usually at night while I’m sleeping so my ‘23 YLR has the same updates as a current model. It is basically a new car. Can’t say that about any ICE vehicle…

Let‘s just drop it…

 

[ecidiego]

When you use an LLM more intelligently, and not just a Google search with Gemini "AI Overview", you get better info:


Autopilot “spillover effect” even when not ON

Even if Autopilot is not engaged at the moment of the crash, Tesla drivers often:

• Trust the tech too much
• Pay less attention
• Drive as if the car will “save” them
• Become complacent from using it earlier in the trip

This shows up in human-factors research — semi-automation makes people worse manual drivers.

High Usage in Urban + Highway Mix

Teslas are disproportionately used in areas with:

• Dense traffic
• Higher crash frequency
• More distracted drivers
• Higher average speeds

That raises exposure.

Reporting bias

Teslas have:

Constant telemetry
Automatic crash reporting
More visibility in news

So Tesla crashes get counted and get noticed more than other brands that don’t track or report as much.




etc.

 

[Stan H]

Totally believe the AI overview there.
Had a buddy of mine said Hey every been in a EV I said nope Im trying to kill the planet . He says dude get the thing out on the highway and romp on it your doing a 100mph in practically no time.
I then thought why ? Because you wanted to do what ? .
Lots of things will do 100mph but it aint necessary to do it.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

When you use an LLM more intelligently, and not just a Google search with Gemini "AI Overview", you get better info:


Autopilot “spillover effect” even when not ON

Even if Autopilot is not engaged at the moment of the crash, Tesla drivers often:

• Trust the tech too much
• Pay less attention
• Drive as if the car will “save” them
• Become complacent from using it earlier in the trip

This shows up in human-factors research — semi-automation makes people worse manual drivers.

High Usage in Urban + Highway Mix

Teslas are disproportionately used in areas with:

• Dense traffic
• Higher crash frequency
• More distracted drivers
• Higher average speeds

That raises exposure.


etc.

It couldn't have anything to do with giving a soccer mom an 8 second car.

 

[GeekJT]

Washboards at 100mph aren't fun in a Sahara unless you're buying $6k in shocks and bumpstops along with a bunch of other mods. And I bought the mojave when they were offering the crazy discounts on them. Msrp was $65k, I paid $52k out the door. I'm not sure you could build a JT that could hang for less, and it wouldn't have seat heaters for those cold mornings camping, leather, or a rear locker for when I end up on trails like this

The Mojave is like $20k more than a Sport S or Willys. So not sure why 6k would be a problem for some shocks. (it's 4k fyi to put the same shocks on a willys) Come on now, you can't possibly think you'll win this argument.

Just fess up and admit, there is still a 16 year old in you that says "OOOH lifted jeep, me have fun, ooh and fox shocks muuuahahaha, me take top off too"

Come on you handsome man you. EVERYONE on this forum knows what i'm talking about. Nobody and I mean NOBODY buys a Jeep because it's the smart wise choice. Seriously.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Listen to what you just said

"Show me some 30-40k cars that are beating 100-110k cars. How about we talk apples to apples.

2024 Rezvani Beast
2025 ZR1 Corvette
GT-R R35
Ferrari 812 Superfast
McLaren 720S
Lamborghini Huracán Performante
Porsche 911 Turbo S

All would beat the tesla plaid in a 0-200mph race.


Even a mustang darkhorse or GT PP/PP2 would out stop it 70-0 by 10s of feet. One thing to be fast, but the other performance factors matter too, stoping power Tesla is weak on, turning performance, Tesla is weaker and destroys it's tires doing any real performance turning like on an auto track. So coming at me like Tesla is the best at everything, come on now. It has a pro (fast in a straight line) but then it's cons really hurt it. It's heavy, it's gonna eat tires. In an auto course, it's gonna pit more.

Man have any of you guys been to any tracks and know what your talking about, or just make stuff up on a whim?

Again I'm not talking track stuff, I'm talking daily driver stuff... while also being the quickest production car on the planet. Who said $30k cars. Show me the red car that will beat the plaid from stop light to stop light on the street. Nobody who buys a tesla card about the track. The demon 170 which is similar in price and records a similar 8.9s 1/4 mile at the track couldn't even come close to keeping up in the street. It's not price it is traction and usability. I know it's hard to admit that a tesla sedan will destroy almost any mustang on the road and the vast majority of them on the dragstrip, but that's the reality.

 

[ecidiego]

It couldn't have anything to do with giving a soccer mom an 8 second car.

My wife ( soccer mom ) has an 11 second SUV - no at-fault crashes yet luckily!

She has it set to "Normal", it's probably 1.5 seconds slower in that mode. It's awesome how easy it is to tune its performance on the fly. Switch it to Sport and it's like you just added a turbo.

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