Show me your high mileage 3.6 with oil recommendations !

[Hootbro]

Like George Burns smoking cigars like a chimney and living to 100. If drinking gets you to 100 and smoking gets you to 100, I'll do both and live to 200.

I think everybody can find a singular family member or close acquaintance that has a bad habit that defies the mortality odds and lives an above average long life. Still not wise in the aggregate to emulate.

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[JTGuy]

I think I will just buy a quart of all the top fully syn oils and mix them all.
not really. I am actually going to go with Torco SR5 5-30 full synthetic.

 

[BallsDeep]

I get the gist of what you are putting out. Things like "recommended, meets, suitable for" and so forth are bit different that oils that have actually gone through and obtained a proper certification/licensing from MOPAR that carry the MS-6395 spec. The former is self certifying language that oil companies put out there that have not gone through the proper certification/licensing.

MS-6395 is not a high bar technical wise and is more of a time consuming process that involves two years of measured fleet taxi use that many oil companies just do not bother with.

Also to pick the fly shit out of the pepper, MS-6395 spec requires that the oil hold the latest API certification. So technically an oil cannot be MS-6395 compliant if it is not holding a current API certification.

The only way they’re different is that they are refusing to pay for the “privilege” to use the approval sticker on their bottles. It’s no different than how BP is no longer “Top Tier Gas”, because they stopped paying the licensing fee to display the logo on their pumps; however, they exceed the standards to be Top Tier.

They put those stipulations in the warranty in hopes that people will simply not fight it, but the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act says the onus is on the manufacturer to prove that the oil you used caused the problem. AMSOIL will for sure be happy to send all the proof you need to prove they meet or exceed the standards and they just simply don’t dish out money for a sticker, because they constantly improve their formula and would have to pay a TON of money for testing every single time they change the tiniest ratio of ingredients.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The only way they’re different is that they are refusing to pay for the “privilege” to use the approval sticker on their bottles.

Without testing there's simply no way to know that.

The point of a spec is to test to it, and let the results speak to if the product meets or exceeds the specs.

There may be a comparable spec you can reference, maybe not. Maybe they dropped the cert because they're not interested in paying for it on the return on that market, or maybe because they don't meet it.

Again, without testing, you don't know. But trusting sales reps is always a solid path forward, they'd never lie.

 

[BallsDeep]

Without testing there's simply no way to know that.

The point of a spec is to test to it, and let the results speak to if the product meets or exceeds the specs.

There may be a comparable spec you can reference, maybe not. Maybe they dropped the cert because they're not interested in paying for it on the return on that market, or maybe because they don't meet it.

Again, without testing, you don't know. But trusting sales reps is always a solid path forward, they'd never lie.

They do test it, thankfully. The specs to meet all these different “licenses” is known to the oil companies… they can test to meet and exceed the standards. But smaller companies like AMSOIL aren’t going to pay $50k-$100K *each* to send their oil to API, GM, Chrysler, Ford, VW, etc so that those guys can test it again just to give their own thumbs up… followed by paying a licensing fee and annual renewal. Then have to do it all over again because they *improved* their oil with the tiniest of tweaks to the formula.

So it is tested, and proven, to meet or exceed the specs - it’s just literally not financially responsible from a business standpoint for a boutique shop to pay that large of a percentage of their revenue. Exxon, Mobil, Pennzoil, etc can afford to pay for the separate, additional tests and licensing fees with pocket change.

 

[Badunit]

They put those stipulations in the warranty in hopes that people will simply not fight it, but the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act says the onus is on the manufacturer to prove that the oil you used caused the problem.

Legally that may be true but if it gets brought up as the cause of failure, it will begin as warranty denied and it will be an uphill battle and probably a lot of time and money to overturn it. Most people likely feel they are better off not opening that can of worms, so they run the specified oil and use decent filters and keep records. This is why I feel your vehicle is not 100% yours until the warranty runs out, when you no longer have anyone to answer to but yourself. That or just accept the fact you might get denied.

 

[Stan H]

Legally that may be true but if it gets brought up as the cause of failure, it will begin as warranty denied and it will be an uphill battle and probably a lot of time and money to overturn it. Most people likely feel they are better off not opening that can of worms, so they run the specified oil and use decent filters and keep records. This is why I feel your vehicle is not 100% yours until the warranty runs out, when you no longer have anyone to answer to but yourself. That or just accept the fact you might get denied.

I dont know why everyone always gets so worried about these cockeyed warranties. Before you know it 60k is gone (and it dont matter unless you have some extended warranty paid for. Which most cant afford. ) After that quick 60k your on your own in a Gas model so I suggest proactive maintenance preemptive maintenance that is the true warranty , getting your hands dirty and digging in yourself .

 

[Badunit]

I dont know why everyone always gets so worried about these cockeyed warranties.

Because repairs can be expensive and most people don't want to risk warranty denial or have to fight over it. I have chosen to be my own warranty station for some things.

 

[JTGuy]

With all my mods at this point I probably own it. Odd that Amsoil can't do the cert testing but Torco and many others can.

 

[BallsDeep]

Legally that may be true but if it gets brought up as the cause of failure, it will begin as warranty denied and it will be an uphill battle and probably a lot of time and money to overturn it. Most people likely feel they are better off not opening that can of worms, so they run the specified oil and use decent filters and keep records. This is why I feel your vehicle is not 100% yours until the warranty runs out, when you no longer have anyone to answer to but yourself. That or just accept the fact you might get denied.

Oh, totally. It’s absolutely something people would need to consider if they can stomach that battle or not. I’m of the mindset that modern vehicles, if changing the oil regularly, should make it past the warranty before issues, anyways.

BUT, the one good thing about the MM Warranty Act, is that if you do take the dealership/manufacturer to court over it, it states the defendant has to pay your legal costs if it’s proven your oil didn’t cause the issue… so if you’re capable/willing to endure that route, and know you used quality oil at the right spec and right amount, at least you didn’t drain your savings on a lawyer.

I keep all receipts, and maintain a maintenance spreadsheet showing mileage, brands used, torque settings used, notes, etc. So, personally if they tried to deny my claim, I’d just chuckle and be like, “War it is, then…” but I don’t expect everyone to follow that same path.

 

[Hootbro]

Odd that Amsoil can't do the cert testing but Torco and many others can.

Difference between cannot and will not. Amsoil scales their business on their terms and is not chasing or wanting every customer. For decades they did not even have a API licensed line of oils but one would be hard pressed to find anybody using their oils prior that had a oil related failure based on their application recommendations of what to use of their oils.

I will also wager and buy someone their next oil change if they can show me a provable instance where FCA denied warranty for an oil that solely lacked a MS-6395 certification that caused a oil related failure but current API spec and correct oil grade were used.

 

[Stan H]

Because repairs can be expensive and most people don't want to risk warranty denial or have to fight over it. I have chosen to be my own warranty station for some things.

Im my own warranty for all of it . ALL of it i very much dislike warranties .

 

[Badunit]

I very much dislike warranties .

I am much the same way. I like the warranty for the first few months, before I start wanting to change things. After that I feel like I am throwing bits of it away that I paid good money for.

I am soon going to take advantage of the body corrosion warranty, a little over 2 1/2 years into ownership. Assuming that goes well, I am happy I have that one.

 

[Stan H]

I am much the same way. I like the warranty for the first few months, before I start wanting to change things. After that I feel like I am throwing bits of it away that I paid good money for.

I am soon going to take advantage of the body corrosion warranty, a little over 2 1/2 years into ownership. Assuming that goes well, I am happy I have that one.

Yeah that's gone now too. I aint got zip other than my 2 arms and 10 fingers to turn wrenches,spray paint etc.. it all goes away quick. 5 yrs. ,3 months

 

[Uparms]

Penzoil Platinum full synthetic 0W20. Every 5K miles. Mobil 1 filter. Walmart.

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