2021 Bronco

[lrtexasman]

COVID is blowing up supply chains left and right and FCA is also struggling to get parts (e.g. new steering boxes). I'm not surprised at all that Ford would be having similar issues.

Yes if “webastro” the German supplier for the Bronco tops is having production issues due to COVID restrictions that is completely understandable. However, if there is an engineering issue and tops are flying off at high speeds and leaking then that is of greater concern to me.

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[LostWoods]

Yes if “webastro” the German supplier for the Bronco tops is having production issues due to COVID restrictions that is completely understandable. However, if there is an engineering issue and tops are flying off at high speeds and leaking then that is of greater concern to me.

I would not at all be surprised if they bit off more than they can chew on that one. I can't imagine how difficult it is to seal that middle section given it can only attach at the sides and to the fore/aft panels.

But what I was getting at is they're very not likely using COVID as an excuse to delay the trucks, they are likely having delays like everyone else. Launching such an in-demand vehicle at a trickle because of some part shortage would be a PR nightmare.

 

[Terry]

Call me devil's advocate. Ford is supposed to release the 2021 Bronco on July 13th with their turbo 2.7 liter, 7 speed manual, removable top/doors etc.

https://www.bronco6g.com

Obviously it's aimed right at competing with Jeep

Thoughts?

My first thought is it's a Ford.. Lots of hype and glitz powered by a 4 cylinder motor.

 

[5JeepsAz]

Ford's Production of Jeeps

http://fordmotorhistory.com/factories/richmond/ford_jeeps.php

As described here, each of the three companies providing experimental jeeps during the 1940-1941 development period engaged in some research and development to help the army find a satisfactory design. A Ford report also indicates that Ford had hoped to build its jeeps using some of its own parts that were comparable, but not identical, to those being made or purchased by Bantam and Willys. The U.S. Army, however, was determined that all the parts of all the jeeps be interchangeable, which forced some practices upon Ford that company engineers apparently did not relish. Discussions between engineers of Ford and the Quartermaster Corps concerning jeep engines are illustrative. During the round of contracts in which each company supplied the army with 1500 vehicles. Bantam used a 112-cubic-inch engine made by the Continental Motor Company, Ford used its own 119-cubic-inch engine that it made for Ford tractors, and Willys made its own 139-cubic-inch engine. It was the Willys engine, in part, that put the Willys jeep over the weight limit for that round of production, but the army decided that it preferred the more robust Willys engine. It therefore decided the Willys engine would be standard in all jeeps. Shortly thereafter, though, when the Quartermaster Corps decided it needed to have Ford producing jeeps as well. Ford estimated it would cost $4,000,000 to modify its Rouge plant to manufacture the Willys engine. Ford therefore proposed to use its Ford tractor engine block with larger cylinder bores. Wanting complete interchangeability in its jeeps, the Quartermaster Corps nevertheless insisted that Ford tool-up to make the Willys engines. Willys agreed to provide Ford with all plans and other documents necessary to produce the engines.

By the time Ford was ready to start producing jeeps in large numbers, however, the U.S. was at war, and much of the space at the Rouge plant was taken producing other ordnance for the war effort. Ford therefore proposed that the Ordnance Department allow the company to assemble jeeps at its Chester, Dallas, Louisville, and Richmond branch plants. According to a Ford analysis, this introduced a certain inefficiency to the company's overall jeep operation. The government was asking Ford to make 350 jeeps per day. One of those branch plants could have handled the task, but instead the work was spread among several plants working at less than capacity. Ford acknowledged, on the other hand, the advantage accrued to the government. Most of the jeeps were assembled on the coasts, so the government incurred less cost shipping finished vehicles to port facilities.

Ford's Rouge plant produced the first seventy-seven of the company's jeeps with Willys engines in January 1942. The following month, while the Rouge plant turned-out 1,460 jeeps, Chester, Dallas, Louisville, and Richmond branches got their jeep assembly lines underway. Chester produced 184 jeeps in February 1942, Dallas produced 197, Louisville 107, and Richmond 170. In March, all the plants were producing at about their intended capacity, and the company produced 8,920 jeeps. The following month. Ford set its overall record of jeeps produced in a single month: 11,159 vehicles. The Chester and Richmond plants also set their individual plant records in April 1942: 2,425 and 2,000 respectively. The Rouge plant ceased assembling jeeps in September 1942, with a brief resumption in mid-1943. Chester ceased producing jeeps in January 1943. The Edgewater branch assembled 1,333 jeeps in early 1943. The Dallas, Louisville, and Richmond plants continued assembling the quarter-ton trucks until the Ford contract ended in July 1945. During that period of production. Ford manufactured its own Willys engines, as well as axles, drive shafts, and some of the springs, transmissions, and bodies, at the Rouge and the Lincoln plants. It made the little bits of trim at the Highland Park plant. Ford purchased all the other components of the jeeps it made, including frames, wheels, steering gears, and brakes, from suppliers who also supplied Willys.

 

[LostWoods]

My first thought is it's a Ford.. Lots of hype and glitz powered by a 4 cylinder motor.

vs a Jeep powered by an engine shared with the Pacifica? What's with all the hate on turbo-4s around here? That little engine is the best in any midsize pickup and has a huge ceiling that doesn't require a $6k supercharger kit.

 

[lrtexasman]

My first thought is it's a Ford.. Lots of hype and glitz powered by a 4 cylinder motor.

Lots of hype but I wouldn’t mind have The 2.7 in a JT. V6 twin turbo with port and direct injection. That way I wouldn’t need the diesel to get enough torque

 

[KurtP]

Neighbor had a deposit on a Bronco. They called him this week to return his deposit saying they wont be delivering Bronco’s until 2022.

call me skeptical. Ive never had a turbo engine that got anywhere near the mileage it was supposed to. they seem to constantly be in boost and dumping fuel on the highway, and id imagine the same would happen for the Jeep. Im also not convinced the ecoboost motors hold compression that well. Too many reports read and heard of Raptors losing power eary in their life. One magazine even did time comparisons on runs over it. Whether or not thats an engine issue or a people beating the F out of them issue I have no idea.

i saw a bunch of Bronco’s testing in Colorado. They look cool kinda new defender-ish looking under the camo i hope they do well. Forces toyota and jeep to do better.

 

[Terry]

Neighbor had a deposit on a Bronco. They called him this week to return his deposit saying they wont be delivering Bronco’s until 2022.

call me skeptical. Ive never had a turbo engine that got anywhere near the mileage it was supposed to. they seem to constantly be in boost and dumping fuel on the highway, and id imagine the same would happen for the Jeep. Im also not convinced the ecoboost motors hold compression that well. Too many reports read and heard of Raptors losing power eary in their life. One magazine even did time comparisons on runs over it. Whether or not thats an engine issue or a people beating the F out of them issue I have no idea.

i saw a bunch of Bronco’s testing in Colorado. They look cool kinda new defender-ish looking under the camo i hope they do well. Forces toyota and jeep to do better.

I would agree. Years ago I had a Chev, Vega with the Cosworth 4 cyl. It was fast, and compared to the BMW's of the era very fast, however, it did not stand up well. There's only so much torque one can demand of a small block engine before the engine quits the team.

 

[lrtexasman]

I got a day two reservation so I "should" be good. I would expect it to arrive around August. I do agree with everything you said. Compromises no matter what we choose, lol. I feel pretty good the JT is going do well for me for what I want to do with it or I definitely wouldn't get one. I have no issues selling the Bronco to make a few bucks for those that can't wait.

 

[Klutch]

call me skeptical. Ive never had a turbo engine that got anywhere near the mileage it was supposed to. they seem to constantly be in boost and dumping fuel on the highway, and id imagine the same would happen for the Jeep.

While not a truck or off-road vehicle, a 2003 VW Jetta turbo was my daily driver for over 12 years. That little engine kicked ass and my MPG was consistently better than advertised; up to 35 MPG. And the engine was very reliable. I hit some black ice in my neighborhood and slid into a curb at about 10 MPH. It was just enough impact to deploy the air bags, so my insurance company totaled it. But it was running great.

Yeah, Ford has had some issues with their V6 Ecoboost truck engines. But most of them work really well and drivers love them.

 

[lrtexasman]

While not a truck or off-road vehicle, a 2003 VW Jetta turbo was my daily driver for over 12 years. That little engine kicked ass and my MPG was consistently better than advertised; up to 35 MPG. And the engine was very reliable. I hit some black ice in my neighborhood and slid into a curb at about 10 MPH. It was just enough impact to deploy the air bags, so my insurance company totaled it. But it was running great.

Yeah, Ford has had some issues with their V6 Ecoboost truck engines. But most of them work really well and drivers love them.

I’ve gotten 110k miles on my 4cyl 2.0 eco without a single issue over the last five years. Although I do know the cam phasers were a bit of an issue before the redesign.

 

[Saltymedic]

I think the new Bronco is going to be an extremely good competitor to the Jeep brand mainly due to the awesome packaging they'll be offering. The Sasquatch package will rule them all and hopefully Jeep will pick up on the idea that a base model or bargain Jeep better equipped for wheeling will be an absolute killer in sales.

That being said, for me it boils down to one thing between the two vehicles and that's an IFS vs a SFA.

SFA FTW!!!

 

[KurtP]

Only good things come from Ford coming into the market. More competition is good. Jeep needs to get back to asking customers what they want in a vehicle instead of telling us what we want. The JL/JT are a great product; but Ford pulling focus groups of Wrangler owners with "What do you like and what would you change" was brilliant. Jeep hasn't listened to what customers have wanted or what bothered them in over a decade. Ford doing so will add pressure to Jeep.

Again, my hope is that it forced Jeep to tighten up a couple QC issues, and think more about the buyers. I hope it causes Toyota to bring the 4runner out of the fucking stone age or re-introduce a FJ.

I find the idea that, in a vehicle like this, my LED headlights don't work in snow and that the cup holders wont hold a standard Nalgene bottle absurd. There is absolutely no way testing was done in Colorado where both of those items didn't come up...at least not the headlights issue with old farts doing driving loop tests. Had they done a single focus group with outdoorsmen, the Nalgene bottle issue would have come up as well. Seems like a small thing to be annoyed about, but it has been the standard outdoorsman type bottle for a few decades now and I have a half dozen. Theyre sold at walmart. At REI. At Target. At dicks. Hell, even the insulated ones are sized around the nalgene footprint. If my old XTerra had a provision for it, there's no reason a jeep cant....they just needed to make sure a venti starbucks cup fit. other outdoor stuff- Why was Land Rover the company to figure out the "activity key" water proof bracelet and not jeep? etc etc

I digress....my point is that the JL and JT are great, but Jeep has gotten really fucking lazy because the market has allowed them to. The 4unner is utterly ancient. The Bronco coming in and stealing the show forces jeep (and hopefully Toyota) to either get better, or gives people an option to jump to if they feel it suits them better. In any case, the consumers win, and that's a good thing. I hope the Bronco is a resounding success....because it means my next Jeep will be better than this one; or my Bronco/Ranger will be.

 

[Red-Paint]

OK Just had to add to this. Im a jeep guy but that 2.7 Ford Is better in every way than our 3.6. I would pay 10K up charge for that. Have driven one KIRK ? Have you looked at the interior pics ? OMG ? Jeep just crapped their pants. Also I have two ordered and no they are not canceled. And the guy who thinks Ford has a reliability problem. BS. The ambulance my daughter drives goes 5K without being turned off. Then. maintenance then 5K Only Ford diesels. Gladiator sold 40K last year and that's up. F150 sold 71K in November. Just saying keep in mind we are the JV girls team and they are the pros. Don't let the love of our Jeep cloud your mind. Yes I love mine. Ford offered me 3K to let them keep my (first day) ordered Bronco.

 

[Deleted member 30519]

I saw a silver one when I drove by a ford dealership in NY the other day. Not a fan of the look.

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