Only three pet peeves about my Gladiator Sport

[BamaJeepTruck]

The average starter is rated for approximately 50k starts. Stop-start vehicle starters are usually rated for 10 times this. If you disable start-stop your starter will probably long outlast your engine. Obviously some starters need replacing, but so do some engines, air conditioners, dashboard clusters, and any other component.

Honestly I’m surprised that start-stop hasn’t been mandated by law at this point, like catalytic converters and other miscellaneous environmental protection features. The fuel savings during rush hour in the average US city would be enormous.

Again not trying to be an ass, but where did your 50k number or the 10x that number come from? I have never seen figures like that.

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[MikeLowry968]

Sorry if somebody already posted this, but lift the hood. on the drivers side you will see two push in switches that are pushed in by the hood. Push the pins on the side in to disable the one on the right, put it back together and zip tie it out of the way,,,,,,,,,,,,, you will see an auto start light at 35mph, but so much easier to deal with, lol pop her back together when you go in for service

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

When it's integrated into every vehicle and is advertised to be there and is there to meet govt. regulations, I think so. It almost reminds me of people complaining about airbags being in every car. But to each their own, you can complain if you'd like, I'll just think it's a bit juvenile lol. Especially when you can control it with your own foot with little to no real effort.

So I cant dislike a rule from the precious government? Also I don't know what you mean by "little to no effort". It takes a conscious effort to not fully depress the brake. I don't know how you drive but when I'm stopped I have always pushed the pedal past where the ASS engages. I get we obviously disagree on the subject at hand, but "petulant" I find extreme.

 

[ScottBeach]

I dont care much about the life of the starter. I do care about life of the engine. Every start is a wear point. Unless they created an engine with an electronic engine oil pump which lubricates the engine during ess. You can sell all the snake oil you want. I know ess will cause more engine wear.

 

[Sunset 2025]

I hit "Start" then think "Avengers Assemble!" and hit the "A" button, lol.

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[ScottBeach]

To those that have said. The engineers know how to solve this. Speaking as an engineer. We receive requirements. We do the best we can to meet those requirements via compromise. Do you think diesel engineers wanted 700 degree exhaust systems( which lead to fires) or transmission engineers wanted jerky dcts oetc etc. Ess is such a compromise. I know one when i see one. I promise the duty cycle tests if published would show a non ess pentastar running longer than ess the ess version will meet the requirements. Doesnt mean i want to make that trade.

Rant over

 

[Gladman]

Yes, but on a per capita basis, Canada and the U.S. emit the exact same volume of Carbon Dioxide.
Here are a handful of countries by their rank in terms of tons of CO2 per capita. Source: Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research (EDGAR).

CO2 Emissions: Tons Per Capita (2018)
Rank	Country	Tons per capita
11	Saudi Arabia	18.6
16	Canada	16.1
17	United States	16.1
24	Russia	12.1
44	China	8.0
69	United Kingdom	5.6
116	Brazil	2.4
131	India	1.9

It makes sense that Canada should be higher in per capital consumption simply by virtue of climate - heating cost for colder weather and a longer winter, electrical costs for lighting (due to winter darkness), very large surface land to travel for business, freight, etc.

But total emissions is what matters to the earth.

 

[jsalbre]

Again not trying to be an ass, but where did your 50k number or the 10x that number come from? I have never seen figures like that.

Here’s one article: https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a1817821/what-auto-stop-start-autoweek-explains/

I can’t remember the reference at the moment, but I believe the ESS starter on Jeeps is also constantly engaged with the flywheel, preventing the most common failure mode of starters: the solenoid not engaging anymore.

Edit: Here’s a better article with an actual quote for the 50/500k: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine

 

[red/green hawk]

To those that have said. The engineers know how to solve this. Speaking as an engineer. We receive requirements. We do the best we can to meet those requirements via compromise. Do you think diesel engineers wanted 700 degree exhaust systems( which lead to fires) or transmission engineers wanted jerky dcts oetc etc. Ess is such a compromise. I know one when i see one. I promise the duty cycle tests if published would show a non ess pentastar running longer than ess the ess version will meet the requirements. Doesnt mean i want to make that trade.

Rant over

 

[IamAlan]

But total emissions is what matters to the earth.

The earth will be fine, my friend. We, however, are fucked.
There is a theory that humankind was invented because the earth decided, for whatever reason, that she needed a plastic shell. When our mission is finished, we will no longer be necessary.
Sleep well... ?

 

[red/green hawk]

The earth will be fine, my friend. We, however, are fucked.
There is a theory that humankind was invented because the earth decided, for whatever reason, that she needed a plastic shell. When our mission is finished, we will no longer be necessary.
Sleep well... ?

 

[Sazabi19]

So I cant dislike a rule from the precious government? Also I don't know what you mean by "little to no effort". It takes a conscious effort to not fully depress the brake. I don't know how you drive but when I'm stopped I have always pushed the pedal past where the ASS engages. I get we obviously disagree on the subject at hand, but "petulant" I find extreme.

You can, and your opinion is just as valid as mine. I'm not mad you think the way you do. Also, my pedal actuation isn't set to "yes" or "no". I have varying degrees of pressure. If I'm at a light and I'm stopped, I don't have the brake pedal mashed down, there's just no real reason to do so. I also don't get right on anyone's ass and hit the brakes hard, I judge traffic and try to ensure I have plenty of stopping time and distance. I'm a conservative/defensive driver.

And no, you don't have to like everything from the govt, God knows I don't. I wish it was smaller and out of my way most of the time. I think the cafe rules are stupid personally but they're here to stay. I dunno, call it a "pet peeve" of mine when people complain about the ESS. I find it on the same line of silliness as complaining about the fob lol.

 

[jsalbre]

You can, and your opinion is just as valid as mine. I'm not mad you think the way you do. Also, my pedal actuation isn't set to "yes" or "no". I have varying degrees of pressure. If I'm at a light and I'm stopped, I don't have the brake pedal mashed down, there's just no real reason to do so. I also don't get right on anyone's ass and hit the brakes hard, I judge traffic and try to ensure I have plenty of stopping time and distance. I'm a conservative/defensive driver.

And no, you don't have to like everything from the govt, God knows I don't. I wish it was smaller and out of my way most of the time. I think the cafe rules are stupid personally but they're here to stay. I dunno, call it a "pet peeve" of mine when people complain about the ESS. I find it on the same line of silliness as complaining about the fob lol.

If you think this is bad you should see the arguments on the HD Ram forums about cylinder deactivation.

 

[guarnibl]

People shouldn’t complain about the ASS system since it’ll stop working after six months anyway. Problem solved !

 

[stickshifter]

Gladman said (post #25):
"I respect everyone’s POV with regard to the environment, however I live in a country responsible for 1.5% of the earths carbon escape in the environment. I see no need to pay carbon taxes here and pay for vehicle controls that have no effect on the air I breathe. Other countries like the US and China, responsible for more than 50% of the carbon escape, yes."

It makes sense that Canada should be higher in per capital consumption simply by virtue of climate - heating cost for colder weather and a longer winter, electrical costs for lighting (due to winter darkness), very large surface land to travel for business, freight, etc.

But total emissions is what matters to the earth.

I don't mean any offense, but your logic doesn't hold up. Saying you live in a country that has one tenth the CO2 emissions of the U.S. when your country has the exact same emissions per capita, is just saying you live in a country that has one tenth the population of the U.S.

When it comes to CO2 emissions, Canadians pollute at exactly the same rate as Americans. So - you cannot duck environmental responsibility just because you happen to live in a political unit with a small population. That would be like if the U.S. were actually 50 independent countries (instead of states), and each person in each "country" said "my country doesn't emit that much CO2, therefore I bear no responsibility for my emissions." It is irrelevant at what scale you aggregate the data - it is only per capita emissions that is relevant when it comes to assessing individual responsibility.

Gross Emissions:
China is responsible for 26.6% of global CO2 emissions.
The U.S. is responsible for 13.1% of global CO2 emissions.
Canada is responsible for 1.6% of global CO2 emissions.

Per capita:
The U.S. and Canada are tied at 16.1 tons of CO2 per person per year. In China, per capita CO2 emissions are 8.0 tons per person per year.

Source: Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research (EDGAR)

Canada and the U.S. are no different. The U.S. just has more people. Pretending you live in a country that is "green" when it comes to CO2 emissions - or something to that effect - is delusional. That sounded harsh, but I'm not sure how else to say it.

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