Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[Trickster]

I think a lot of this zero emission talk is PR appeasement.
It gets tree huggers interested in your brand and keep politicians at bay.
We all know it's not truly zero emissions, it's simply transferring where the emissions are being emitted.
I don't think fuel cell vehicles will be viable for several years, if not decades to come. Long distance travel is certainly a huge challenge to overcome.
One would think that rather than trying to build the infrastructure around charging stations to handle the capacity for a majority of vehicles on fuel cells, put in a system of universal, quick replacement battery stations like we currently have for 5 gallon propane tanks. There would be no need to wait around for your vehicle to charge. You just pop in a fully charged fuel cell and you're off to the next swapping station.

It’s already out there as I have mentioned.
Google NIO.com
0-100% battery charge in 3 minutes.
As much as many want to deny or ignore some of Chinas accomplishments, they do have some interesting technology.
(Human rights comments not required thanks).

Sponsored

 

[Trickster]

Remember the good old days 65 million years ago when a astroid hit earth and killed 75% of all life?
Problem solved.

Fake news.

 

[Stratus109]

Think outside the box my friend.
It’s real and it’s happening.
“Pro EV people are well off for the most part”
What?
You know this how?

With silly statements like that you lose your credibility in whatever your arguments are.

Wind farms kill birds , the gears require vast amounts of oil to service and they dont produce that much current. Very low density. Plus , they look horrible.

 

[Stratus109]

Wow. We’re on our 5th plug-in, so know a thing or two about them. We’ve yet to explode, and each EV adds an average of $20-40 of electric bill. How much do you spend on gas or diesel per month at $50 per fill up or more? You’re spouting nonsense. It also seems like you’re not very knowledgeable about single phase A/C power. It’s not 40-90. It’s 40 for level 2. Period. That’s 8awg wire from your panel and a charger that costs around $500 or less. Average houses have a 200amp circuit. It’s easy, and safe, to dry your clothes, charge your car, and cook your dinner. Wow, only 120amps so far. And still plenty for all the small stuff that use a few amps each.
Spouting garbage and finding some obscure Tesla graphic doesn’t deter people with common sense. They see through it easily.

Im not spouting garbage. Your are likely fluffing your numbers. Probably not revealing that you dont commute or live in an area of climatic extremes very hot or very cold. Or you live in an urban area. Its not less expensive. If anything after insuring and extra added cost to electric bill its equal or more. Additionally just because ev works in your little micro world doesnt mean it will work for 400 million people. In fact, it wont. No matter how much yall push propaganda. Its seeming to be just another way to consolidate power. What happens when theres a power outage my friend?

 

[Stratus109]

I try really hard to avoid getting into any arguments here, I really enjoy the generally positive tone of this forum, but I also understand that I was walking into deep water by commenting on this thread.

I have received quotes from my insurance and would be at break even or saving money vs my current gas expenses, depending on which vehicle I go with.

No installation would be necessary, my workplace offers free charging.

I understand that EVs are not for everyone and not suitable in every situation - as I said, I certainly wouldn't take one off road, and I wouldn't want it as my ONLY transportation, but in my case it would work out.

You have made lots of different points about EVs that aren't really relevant to me. I don't particularly care if it's cleaner or not, or where the lithium is sourced, or if some broke person in an apartment can afford one, as long as it saves me money and makes my jeep last longer I'm happy. I'm sure there are people who feel differently but hey, different strokes for different folks!

I just got a quote for 3k to i sure a tesla i can post a screen shot.

of course you will quote the current inflated gas prices which is a result of quite purposeful actions of the current regime. Why not quote gas prices from the last admin? I know why. Youre likely an ideologue.

 

[LostWoods]

Where did the bad man touch you?

 

[WILDHOBO]

Im not spouting garbage. Your are likely fluffing your numbers. Probably not revealing that you dont commute or live in an area of climatic extremes very hot or very cold. Or you live in an urban area. Its not less expensive. If anything after insuring and extra added cost to electric bill its equal or more. Additionally just because ev works in your little micro world doesnt mean it will work for 400 million people. In fact, it wont. No matter how much yall push propaganda. Its seeming to be just another way to consolidate power. What happens when theres a power outage my friend?

Number one, we live in CO at 8600 feet, and don’t have a garage that fits cars. Our climate is the definition of extreme from November to May. It’s not propaganda. Why would I lie? It serves no one. In a power outage? That’s your question? Gas stations run out of gas, where we are, bi-weekly it seems. When a pure electric has 200-300 miles of range you don’t need to recharge every day, closer to once or twice a week. If there’s a long term outage due to an event, the first thing people do is hit the gas stations, form lines, and empty them. During those events, EV owners with solar are going to be smiling, as their houses still have power, and they’re not in line at the pumps. By the way, with 300 million Americans, not all of whom have drivers licenses, you’re fluffing your numbers. I don’t care how many cars there are, just how many drivers. Don’t accuse people of lying. You don’t know me, and if you did, would understand I have no reason to.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I just got a quote for 3k to i sure a tesla i can post a screen shot.

of course you will quote the current inflated gas prices which is a result of quite purposeful actions of the current regime. Why not quote gas prices from the last admin? I know why. Youre likely an ideologue.

No one is talking about Teslas, luxury niche cars without proper regulation. Our domestic EVs have NEVER cost more to insure than our non EVs. Ever.

 

[NachoRuby]

I think that most people do charge their EVs at home overnight. I do. It’s become a habit kind of like charging my phone overnight. Simple. The car doesn’t need to be charged every though. I do it maybe one or two times a week. It’s way more convenient than going to a gas station and way cheaper too.
.

Again, I'm not anti-EV, and I'm keeping politics out of it. But a HUGE portion of the country no has no garage and no where to charge their cars at night. This is my street. I live in a 18th century town with mostly mid 19th century houses and an 18th century street plan. There are two houses with garages, mine included. Everyone else squeezes in curbside. About 30 or so cars will be lined up on each side from end to end when everyone is at home at the end of the day, in maybe 500 feet on the block. Every street in town is that way, with most folks parking curbside. This is what most streets inside towns (not in developments) in Maryland and in Pennsylvania look like. And, this is a small town. Cities will require more. To get to the point where evs are able to be viable to all, these people need somewhere to charge, which means the whole street needs to be lined up.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Again, I'm not anti-EV, and I'm keeping politics out of it. Buta HUGE portion of the country no has no garage and no where to charge their cars at night. This is my street. There are two houses with garages, mine included. Everyone else squeezes in curbside. About 30 or so cars lined on each side from end to end when everyone is at home at the end of the day, in maybe 500 feet on the block. Every street in town is that way, with most folks parking curbside. This is what most streets inside towns in Maryland and in Pennsylvania look like. And, this is a small town. Cities will require more. To get to the point where evs are able to be viable, all of these people need somewhere to charge, which means the whole street needs to be lined up.

No picture, but we get your point. That will take time, just as took a while to get the number of gas stations we did. But it doesn’t make EVs bad, which I don’t think you’re saying btw. It just means Adoption in suburbs with driveways will happen first, and will eventually drive more demand for urban charging.

 

[NachoRuby]

What happens when theres a power outage my friend?

Batteries. What happens when there's a power outage now? Gas stations don't work in a power outage if they don't have a generator or backup battery system.

 

[Sazabi19]

Lol let's get away from the political talk so this thread doesn't get locked plz. We can disagree on stuff but the admins here get touchy about political junk and some good threads have gone the way of the dodo because of it. Don't make them censor this 1 too.

 

[MyRight]

No picture, but we get your point. That will take time, just as took a while to get the number of gas stations we did. But it doesn’t make EVs bad, which I don’t think you’re saying btw. It just means Adoption in suburbs with driveways will happen first, and will eventually drive more demand for urban charging.

There are also all of those areas where HOA's restrict leaving vehicles out on their driveways overnight. It will be interesting how this adopts.

 

[WILDHOBO]

There are also all of those areas where HOA's restrict leaving vehicles out on their driveways overnight. It will be interesting how this adopts.

The fact that a few vehicles have burned does not mean you can’t charge in your garage. Please stop selectively ignoring the points that have already been made, since they make your arguments lose weight.

 

[NachoRuby]

No picture, but we get your point. That will take time, just as took a while to get the number of gas stations we did. But it doesn’t make EVs bad, which I don’t think you’re saying btw. It just means Adoption in suburbs with driveways will happen first, and will eventually drive more demand for urban charging.

There is now. But no, I'm not at all saying evs are bad. I'd buy one, but I'd also need a gas car for our regular long trips. I think a plug-in hybrid would fit our usage case.
It was just a reminder that some areas are left out of the conversation. I live in a small town nestled in rural Pennsylvania. It's not city enough for modern infrastructure/charging, not suburban enough for everyone to have garages. Though the area is rural, town itself isn't rural enough for there to be room to add much new, so most houses don't have garages. We need to overcome the small town USA problems before evs truly take off. Also, there's the issue that the commute distance is quite far for many here, and over the small mountains to the DC/Baltimore MD area for a lot of people. So coupled with nowhere to charge, range anxiety is a real thing here. It will all be overcome, but it will take time, planning, and cheaper better batteries.

Sponsored