Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[NachoRuby]

Seems people are equating charging to the need for a garage at their residence.
Here in the “Great White North” most apartments, condos without garages have parking stalls with plug ins for the block heaters.
With some mods, they could be EV charging capable.
The biggest issue for that is the current electrical infrastructure could not handle the demand.

This would help.?

I'm not equating it to the need for a garage, but the whole street will need to be lined up with chargers, in areas where the street is barely wide enough for a sidewalk, and where there is no shoulder on the road. There are no stalls, or even parking spots. People just park on the side of the road. These roads were designed way before anyone thought of a need for parking a car. In fact, the only reason my house is one of the lucky few to have a garage or driveway is because my garage used to be the carriage house, where they parked horses and buggies. There are no spaces, no parking lots, and no room to build things. In real cities with wide roads and even with marked parking spaces, it's less of a problem. In places with parking lots, it's less of a problem. But here, everyone without a driveway or a garage (most people) park on side of the street and hope they don't come out and find their ride sideswiped.

I don't want to sound anti-EV, because I'm not, but the future will likely be one where everyone charges when not in use rather than going to the station for a quick fill up. So making that available to this population will be an important step. These also will be the folks most apprehensive to making the change.

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[WILDHOBO]

That's kind of setup am shooting for hopefully if I can swing the boss lady to move on from the big Toyota SUV. My JT is gas and would like to move her into a hybrid that might get some decent mileage at least maybe 50 miles to charge (More would be better since commute is 100 miles twice a week). Most of the local driving is like 10-20 miles a day if that. Wanted her to look at a Tesla maybe but she won't consider it. She could get a lot for a trade in or sale of that Toyota Highlander Platinum package she has

There are no plug-in hybrids that get 100 miles of pure electric range, but you’d still do really well on those commutes with one that gets half that on pure electric. I hate Teslas as well, and would never consider them. They jump started the idea of EVs, but will likely not be cost effective for a long time, if ever. They’re a niche manufacturer. I haven’t test driven one, but the Toyota RAV4 prime is intriguing. It gets a predicted 42 miles on pure electric, and stickers as low as 41k for the base trim package. After the tax credit, you’re down to a car in the low to mid 30’s. After you deplete the battery, you’d likely still get 40mpg on the highway. On a 100 mile trip, you’d use an estimated 1.5 gallons of gas, or 66mpg. On your shorter run days, you’d be super high. We had two similar vehicles in the past with 40-45 mile electric ranges. After 40,000 miles, we averaged over 200mpg for the total odometer.

 

[Stratus109]

Tell that to the Europeans that have them producing vast amounts of electricity. There are a shit Toni the oceans and seas there.

Wrong, when i lived in belgium it was is completely supplied by 2 massive nuclear reactors in France. So much additional power they built lines to go over the water into Poland. And no wonder car enthusiasts are miserable in europe. Every car is a neutered shit box. And gas is $3 a litre . Btw my man its pretty obvious yr a massive ev shill. Who do you post on behalf of?

 

[WILDHOBO]

Wrong, when i lived in belgium it was is completely supplied by 2 massive nuclear reactors in France. So much additional power they built lines to go over the water into Poland. And no wonder car enthusiasts are miserable in europe. Every car is a neutered shit box. And gas is $3 a litre .

Drive an electric car and then please let us know how neutered it feels. They are fast and have more torque than a 392 hemi, because they’re efficient. Most of ICE power goes to heat loss before it gets to the wheels.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Seems people are equating charging to the need for a garage at their residence.
Here in the “Great White North” most apartments, condos without garages have parking stalls with plug ins for the block heaters.
With some mods, they could be EV charging capable.

Heck, where you live even hotels have plugs for engine heaters along the fronts of the parking stalls. I have some pics somewhere.
Some mods? a little bit more than some mods - larger cable, etc. as those outlets likely are only 15 amp as that's the limit of draw of most stock engine heaters. They are likely only sized for 15 amps times the number of outlets fed on each cable. But they could assume not all would be drawing full charge as there won't be an EV at every stall for a long time to come. Converting some over would be not bad, and reserve them for customers who need to charge a vehicle.

Drive an electric car and then please let us know how neutered it feels. They are fast and have more torque than a 392 hemi, because they’re efficient.

That's one reason I'd like to have one as a "fun car". They blow away almost all production gas cars in the 0-60 numbers. My son said they push you back in the seat hard when you punch them - no lag. Hit the "throttle" and ignore any torque or HP curve - GO.
How about cars made like diesel locomotives? Diesels generate the power, what drives the wheels is electric. An engine running at a constant speed is a lot more efficient than one that's constantly up and down.

 

[BAT]

There are no plug-in hybrids that get 100 miles of pure electric range, but you’d still do really well on those commutes with one that gets half that on pure electric. I hate Teslas as well, and would never consider them. They jump started the idea of EVs, but will likely not be cost effective for a long time, if ever. They’re a niche manufacturer. I haven’t test driven one, but the Toyota RAV4 prime is intriguing. It gets a predicted 42 miles on pure electric, and stickers as low as 41k for the base trim package. After the tax credit, you’re down to a car in the low to mid 30’s. After you deplete the battery, you’d likely still get 40mpg on the highway. On a 100 mile trip, you’d use an estimated 1.5 gallons of gas, or 66mpg. On your shorter run days, you’d be super high. We had two similar vehicles in the past with 40-45 mile electric ranges. After 40,000 miles, we averaged over 200mpg for the total odometer.

They are trying to get the company to put in a few chargers at the office/warehouse where those who have electric or hybrid could get a quick charge during the work day. Its kind of surprising that they are so gung ho Go Green but yet they still want employee's at the desk whose jobs really don't require them to need to be there and they pushing employee's to Go Green but things like chargers at the office/warehouse are not available nor any mention of putting some in place.

 

[Phishs]

Yeah...I want a lot of things. We'll see.

 

[Stratus109]

I'm not equating it to the need for a garage, but the whole street will need to be lined up with chargers, in areas where the street is barely wide enough for a sidewalk, and where there is no shoulder on the road. There are no stalls, or even parking spots. People just park on the side of the road. These roads were designed way before anyone thought of a need for parking a car. In fact, the only reason my house is one of the lucky few to have a garage or driveway is because my garage used to be the carriage house, where they parked horses and buggies. I'm saying there are no spaces, no parking lots, and no room to build things. In real cities with wide roads and even with marked parking spaces, it's less of a problem. In places with parking lots, it's less of a problem. But here, everyone without a driveway or a garage (most people) park on side of the street and hope they don't come out and find their ride sideswiped.

I don't want to sound anti-EV, because I'm not, but the future will likely be one where everyone charges when not in use rather than going to the station for a quick fill up. So making that available to this population will be an important step. This is the group of people who will be the most difficult to make change. These also will be the folks most apprehensive to making the change.

Drive an electric car and then please let us know how neutered it feels. They are fast and have more torque than a 392 hemi, because they’re efficient. Most of ICE power goes to heat loss before it gets to the wheels.

Number one, we live in CO at 8600 feet, and don’t have a garage that fits cars. Our climate is the definition of extreme from November to May. It’s not propaganda. Why would I lie? It serves no one. In a power outage? That’s your question? Gas stations run out of gas, where we are, bi-weekly it seems. When a pure electric has 200-300 miles of range you don’t need to recharge every day, closer to once or twice a week. If there’s a long term outage due to an event, the first thing people do is hit the gas stations, form lines, and empty them. During those events, EV owners with solar are going to be smiling, as their houses still have power, and they’re not in line at the pumps. By the way, with 300 million Americans, not all of whom have drivers licenses, you’re fluffing your numbers. I don’t care how many cars there are, just how many drivers. Don’t accuse people of lying. You don’t know me, and if you did, would understand I have no reason to.

i lived in Avon so i know the climate well. I wouldnt EVER want to be stuck in a tesla going over vail pass during a storm for the life of me. Ill take a cozy SUV or Pickup or Glad any day of the week over a tesla. Leadville and Red Cliff yea no thanks. EV seems like a horrible idea for this application. Perhaps in summer okay…

 

[WILDHOBO]

i lived in Avon so i know the climate well. I wouldnt EVER want to be stuck in a tesla going over vail pass during a storm for the life of me. Ill take a cozy SUV or Pickup or Glad any day of the week over a tesla. Leadville and Red Cliff yea no thanks. EV seems like a horrible idea for this application. Perhaps in summer okay…

EV sedan, not great in snow. But SUV’s are great. The regenerative coasting is better and smoother than down shifting and makes descents safe and relaxing. Perfectly fine going over vail pass.

 

[ShastaJT6]

I just got a quote for 3k to i sure a tesla i can post a screen shot.

of course you will quote the current inflated gas prices which is a result of quite purposeful actions of the current regime. Why not quote gas prices from the last admin? I know why. Youre likely an ideologue.

Your quote isn't relevant to me. Our finances are different, our quotes would be different, our needs are different and so on.

Trust me, I wish we had the gas prices from the Trump era back! It sucks how inflated everything is right now. 3 more years of this nonsense is going to be a rough ride.

Either way, regarding EVs, I understand there are some points on this that are very important to you, and you seem to be very interested in discussing these with someone, but they're simply not relevant to me.

This type of interaction is not what I am a member here for, and I'm not going to be able to engage with you further on this.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Our finances are different, our quotes would be different, our needs are different and so on.

Bingo. That's one reason I try to put things in context of where I live, what OUR prices or CoL are and so on.
Fuel costs much different here than many places.
Electric rates, among the cheapest in the country.
Housing - people sell their modest homes in parts of CA or Boston or whatever and come here and build a mansion.
On the other hand - want a property on the shores of Clear Lake? That will make NY living look cheap.
More open roads, less traffic so less sitting in lines (well, most of the time - we're great as gawking at death and destruction along the road causing even more pile-ups and destruction)
Most of Iowa ain't flat, but get to Belmond and Goodell and you can see for miles and miles and field tile doesn't even drain well.

Different ages, different family situations, different job situations, different commuting experiences, distance from stores, mountains or not, weather/climate, personal preferences.
Thank goodness we aren't all the same. What a very boring world this would be.

 

[ShastaJT6]

Bingo. That's one reason I try to put things in context of where I live, what OUR prices or CoL are and so on.
Fuel costs much different here than many places.
Electric rates, among the cheapest in the country.
Housing - people sell their modest homes in parts of CA or Boston or whatever and come here and build a mansion.
On the other hand - want a property on the shores of Clear Lake? That will make NY living look cheap.
More open roads, less traffic so less sitting in lines (well, most of the time - we're great as gawking at death and destruction along the road causing even more pile-ups and destruction)
Most of Iowa ain't flat, but get to Belmond and Goodell and you can see for miles and miles and field tile doesn't even drain well.

Different ages, different family situations, different job situations, different commuting experiences, distance from stores, mountains or not, weather/climate, personal preferences.
Thank goodness we aren't all the same. What a very boring world this would be.

Well said, thank you sir!

 

[Trickster]

Wrong, when i lived in belgium it was is completely supplied by 2 massive nuclear reactors in France. Btw my man its pretty obvious yr a massive ev shill. Who do you post on behalf of?

So because there were none in Belgium, must mean the ones in the Atlantic don’t exist?

I am not your “man” or an EV shill and speak for myself.
But go ahead and assume if it makes you feel good.

Guess these windmills must be an illusion?

 

[Trickster]

Heck, where you live even hotels have plugs for engine heaters along the fronts of the parking stalls. I have some pics somewhere.
Some mods? a little bit more than some mods - larger cable, etc. as those outlets likely are only 15 amp as that's the limit of draw of most stock engine heaters. They are likely only sized for 15 amps times the number of outlets fed on each cable. But they could assume not all would be drawing full charge as there won't be an EV at every stall for a long time to come. Converting some over would be not bad, and reserve them for customers who need to charge a vehicle.


That's one reason I'd like to have one as a "fun car". They blow away almost all production gas cars in the 0-60 numbers. My son said they push you back in the seat hard when you punch them - no lag. Hit the "throttle" and ignore any torque or HP curve - GO.
How about cars made like diesel locomotives? Diesels generate the power, what drives the wheels is electric. An engine running at a constant speed is a lot more efficient than one that's constantly up and down.

And you cut off my quote where I said BUT the infrastructure would not be able to handle it.
It was just an example, geez.

 

[Gladman]

So because there were none in Belgium, must mean the ones in the Atlantic don’t exist?

I am not your “man” or an EV shill and speak for myself.
But go ahead and assume if it makes you feel good.

Guess these windmills must be an illusion?

Not an illusion but a blight on the planet nevertheless. And no, manufacturing these is not green. How do I know? 47 years worked in the mining and oil industries.

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