Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[Professor_Chaos]

This has been brought up before. Not sure if any solutions came about.

Found this thread (edited had wrong link before) https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...rfid-brick-has-to-go.26072/page-7#post-461260

But it seemed to turn into just a debate on push button start. I don't know if a solution came about, I'll admit I didnt read through 30+ pages of what seemed like push button start debate.

At the risk of starting such again... though I would really prefer it didn't go there... has anybody successfully removed their proximity push start for any other solution no matter how stupid it may seem?

Call me the unibomber if you like but this "tech" is extremely frustrating to me.

I would much prefer to rid my jeep of the proximity push to start button.

Just to add... there are no stupid ideas to me here, even if you suggest replacing it with a light switch... I want to hear it if you can tell me how. Also, not a lease and I will NEVER sell it.

This jeep is mine and this is about making it such. After a year of ownership and killing the AutoStartStop this is the one thing that continues to annoy me.

So... thoughts? Beyond "I like push button start."

Thanks. Love you all.

ETA: I have manual locks and dont care if I end up with 2 keys.

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[GoBraves95]

Modern cars are all the same tech in the sense that the key fob has to be in proximity for the car to start, even if it is a keyed ignition. That is what I read (here I think) at least.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Modern cars are all the same tech in the sense that the key fob has to be in proximity for the car to start, even if it is a keyed ignition. That is what I read (here I think) at least.

Yeah I imagine the reason manual lock jeeps still come with the proximity fob to start it, is simply because it is cheaper for jeep to keep the proximity start than not.

I get thats where everything has gone. Even the cheapest new car I believe comes with proximity start.

Not trying to be a luddite but I just find the key fob extremely stupid and cumbersome as well as just another potential thing that can go wrong when in the middle of nowhere. It makes no sense with manual locks.

I wouldn't even want it if I had electronic locks.

I would literally prefer any other solution that doesn't require the fob.

I am done with the fob.

Appreciate the response though. Thanks for the convo. I'm probably on an island of one here.

 

[ecidiego]

Keyed ignitions with no FOB presence ( chip etc ) = car stolen by total amateurs.

 

[kevman65]

Keyed ignitions with no FOB presence ( chip etc ) = car stolen by total amateurs.

Keyless ignitions with no FOB presence = car stolen by amateur with notebook or laptop with just a few lines of code.

The chips aren't needed, proven by the easy theft of Challengers and Chargers all across the country.

 

[IamPro2A]

Keyed ignitions with no FOB presence ( chip etc ) = car stolen by total amateurs.

Fobed ignitions = cars stolen even easier by professional thieves.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/key-fob-car-thefts-danielle-danboise-port-st-lucie

 

[NachoRuby]

I don't know. Hyundai and Kia are being sued for being basically the only manufacturer to have no chips in the keys at all, due to the ease of theft, and how many are being stolen. I think every car I've owned 2004 or newer has had a chip. I know because it means I can't just copy my keys like on old cars.

At least with chips, in theory, a software update can help out once an exploit is found. Of course, dodge has been promising an update on the Charger/Challenger issues for a few years now.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Keyed ignitions with no FOB presence ( chip etc ) = car stolen by total amateurs.

Lol. Thats cool. As it stands amateur tow trucks can already steal it.

I just don't want to be annoyed by tech I don't like. Happy to take my chances on theft.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I don't know. Hyundai and Kia are being sued for being basically the only manufacturer to have no chips in the keys at all, due to the ease of theft, and how many are being stolen. I think every car I've owned 2004 or newer has had a chip. I know because it means I can't just copy my keys like on old cars.

At least with chips, in theory, a software update can help out once an exploit is found. Of course, dodge has been promising an update on the Charger/Challenger issues for a few years now.

Wow really? I don't see that lawsuit going anywhere. Its not like they advertised otherwise.

How in the world could it be their fault if a car gets stolen. Utter nonsense.

Every single car on earth can be stolen. If someone wants it, they can get it. That is life.

I'd just like the car I own to function in a way I like.

Curious if anybody has gone that direction.

 

[Motoarch]

Did we really need this shit show all over again?

 

[sharpsicle]

Found this thread (edited had wrong link before) https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...rfid-brick-has-to-go.26072/page-7#post-461260

But it seemed to turn into just a debate on push button start. I don't know if a solution came about, I'll admit I didnt read through 30+ pages of what seemed like push button start debate.

That thread actually has all the guts of the conversation in it. It ended with the refusal to accept reality is all, and devolved from there.

Cliff notes are that there's really no way to do it, and anything you could possibly do is just a placebo that gives you the "feel" of a key. Nothing will remove the need for the RF chip and receiver. The only difference is the feel of pushing a button or turning a key. In the end, any solution anyone might come up with is purely cosmetic.

If you want to "feel" the turn of the key, you could do that. But if you want to get rid of the RF function entirely, not going to happen.

 

[kevman65]

Did we really need this shit show all over again?

He wasn't asking for opinions. He's asking if anyone has done it because he wants to do it.

The only shitshow would be people coming in and offering their opinions on whether they think he should or shouldn't or people offering no opinion but calling it a shitshow because they don't agree with the thought process.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Did we really need this shit show all over again?

Well. Yeah.

I didn't want it to go there but people who dont want proximity start aren't going anywhere.

With no solution I doubt I will be the last. Wish I was more of an electronics guy, I'd rather write the tutorial than beg for an answer.

 

[kevman65]

That thread actually has all the guts of the conversation in it. It ended with the refusal to accept reality is all, and devolved from there.

The reality of it is, the placebo effect is on the people thinking the proximity detection, chip, and FOB are any security. As I said, it's been proven to be easily defeated with a notebook or a lap top and a few lines of code.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

That thread actually has all the guts of the conversation in it. It ended with the refusal to accept reality is all, and devolved from there.

Cliff notes are that there's really no way to do it, and anything you could possibly do is just a placebo that gives you the "feel" of a key. Nothing will remove the need for the RF chip. The only difference is the feel of pushing a button or turning a key. In the end, any solution anyone might come up with is purely cosmetic.

Well, I also refuse to believe it is impossible to replace proximity start with a switch.

I don't give a darn what the solution is but I refuse to believe that the ignition system of any car can't be replaced by an enterprising, smart, DIYer.

This is simply one component of a system. I refuse to believe it cannot be rigged.

I could be wrong but can't make sense of how.

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