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I've considered selling mine a few times. Three things have stop me, one is the extra money I'll pay for the same Jeep in 2022 compared to what I paid for mine. I was out the door at $37,100 on my 2020, I would be around $43000 to $44000 now. Two I really don't want to start over on another build, I like how mine rides and looks and the fact that's it's been pretty much problem free. I have considered purchasing an extended warranty which would give me some piece of mind if anything would happen. Mines out of warranty now with 47,500 miles on it. Three would be no Gator color and I'm a fan of the color.

It's been tempting though. I was offered $40,000 cash offer for mine 4 weeks ago when I was having my oil changed at Hendricks. Gerrywoods and Randy Marion both told me they would match that price without even seeing it and Gerrywoods told me Friday when they called that they may can do better if they see it. Like I said it's tempting but the starting over on basically the same truck seems pointless to me. If they offered a Hemi or even the Inline 6 in one, then I may would be more interested in doing it and probably would consider a different color and wouldn't mind it as much.
Yep this is it. My Mojave has been problem free. As much as I’d like adaptive cruise control I’ve added most things mine didn’t come with LED package, nicer bumpers, winch, bigger tires, spray in bed liner etc. it’s just not worth the gamble to get into a could be problematic jeep. It’s 50/50 now a days especially with the Mojave shocks.
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Yep this is it. My Mojave has been problem free. As much as I’d like adaptive cruise control I’ve added most things mine didn’t come with LED package, nicer bumpers, winch, bigger tires, spray in bed liner etc. it’s just not worth the gamble to get into a could be problematic jeep. It’s 50/50 now a days especially with the Mojave shocks.
The only thing I’d really like that I don’t have is the front trail cam. Someday I’ll swap to an aftermarket radio and put like three of them up front. Middle and fenders. Other than that I love mine. 2nd the comment on drive train. An inline six would tempt me, but probably not enough.
 
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if you decide to trade up for a newer one, find the right dealer and trade it instead of selling it to carvana or private party first. At least in CO, you only pay sales tax on the net when you trade, so only tax on that 12k you mentioned.
Yes, exactly. I even told my wife the two drawbacks of selling and then buying are:
2 months with no truck
and
5% tax on the full purchase price (assuming 55K, a tax of 2,650) vs. 5% (assume 600 on 12K difference) on the difference. That's $2,000 difference. Again, just using pretend numbers, but there's a big point to be made on trade.

Typically, mods will decrease trade-in values. You may want to strip it down to pure factory stock before you trade it in
Yeah, it is sometimes contrary to how one might think, but the trade number are based on it being as it came from the factory. I have the original front bumper, stock LED fog lights, lower control arms - basically I saved everything. The only loss would be the day or so putting it all back. But I agree - people, especially Jeep people, like to make their Jeep their own and not buy someone else's tastes, plus it's easier for the dealers to figure. Yes, that's definitely a point for sure.
Like I said - I kept all parts, and all take-off parts are like new because it was very low miles when I swapped things out. Nothing is damaged at all.

take off your mods and trade it for a price you will not be upside down. Enjoy a newer vehicle with new warranty. Perhaps a new vehicle with features that you did not have in older vehicle.
Always trade up not down!
My wife said: "you can take all that stuff off, can't you?" Yes, it only takes time LOL
The reasons for doing any trade would be:
  • Starting over on miles
  • Starting over on warranty
  • Getting full-time transfer case option
Any improvements or changes that may have come along since November 2019 when mine was built. Those are the main reasons.
My wife came up with the first two, then I mentioned that I could actually get the other transfer case - being in Iowa and all...........

Eh, I'd wait for a real generational change before dropping that much money. I'm talking an interior/exterior refresh and/or the new engine. That'd be the only way to even tempt me to thinking about trading up.
Nope, no way. In fact, my wife was going to wait a few more months, maybe even another year, to trade her 2018 WK2. Then I showed her the upcoming changes to the Grand Cherokee. Neither of us liked what was coming. She liked her GC exactly how it was - size, style, interior, everything. She said if she couldn't get one like she had, she'd never trade. I told her that as of that time they hadn't put in the changes due to covid delaying engineering and testing so they were still putting the 2021s out with the prior platform. No major platform changes. So she went right out and traded and got a heck of a good deal with Spencer.
Same for me - I don't want to gamble that Jeep will ruin what I feel is a good thing. For all I know in 2 years the interior will suck. The outside - can't see them doing anything major there, really, other than maybe an optional 2 door but I would still go with this size and 4 doors. I bought because it was how it is, not in spite of it.
So for me - the gamble on a possible platform isn't a good thing - could be they'd ruin it or make changes I don't like. Not all changes to platforms are a plus - maybe to the masses, but not to all people. New engine - yeah, I'd consider on that only, but everything is speculation right now. No guarantees, and the engine changes appear to be going to other platforms and models now.
An I6 would be the temptation for me.............. but who knows when..........

One reason I never sold my original wheels and tires.
I am still using my original wheels. I bought a 5th matching wheel and 5 tires. IF it were possible, I'd see about putting tires/wheels from new JT on this one and moving my 5 to a new one. This one would then have all new tires.

I had thought about leaving the front springs and spacers in place and finding another pair of front Rubicon springs to put under a new one. Maybe.
The rears are max tow because I wanted less sag when towing and hauling............ so I might, maybe, swap those back.
 

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If it were me, and if you’re tempted, I’d wait until the 23 model year to see if you can get an i6. Likely the trade values could still be high. If not, you’ll likely still like your Jeep. I do like my 4H auto, but I wouldn’t see it as that important in Iowa, as I do on steep mountain grades. Flat Midwest snowy and icy roads are more helpful with traction control and great abs. IMO.
 

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My brother was told by the sales manager that they could make more money on a used sale than a new one. I was offered $40,000 when I had my last wave service done and I thought about it. But I have a gator and I can not get a replacement. If I could order a gator inline 6:whatsgoingon:
 

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Such an awesome thread. I am researching a trade on my lifted sport for a Rubicon. I would be leaving the RC 2 1/2" lift on it, but i would be getting all the factory stuff i want on the new one. I have been offered 37k for it, I owe 25k. I would definitely order because of the stuff i want. I also have been watching the message boards on upcoming powerplant changes. I have decided Ill wait a bit and see what happens. I just changed jobs so need things to settle anyway. I will watch and see how it goes.
 
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If it were me, and if you’re tempted, I’d wait until the 23 model year to see if you can get an i6. Likely the trade values could still be high. If not, you’ll likely still like your Jeep. I do like my 4H auto, but I wouldn’t see it as that important in Iowa, as I do on steep mountain grades. Flat Midwest snowy and icy roads are more helpful with traction control and great abs. IMO.
I've found many times wishing I had the same transfer case my Chevy had, or what my other Jeeps have had.
It's a lot better with the far better tires, but our roads are dry, slick, dry, slick, over and over, and the dry areas are just too long to leave it in 4H. Even my wife has asked why I have to keep shifting it.

Just to help - maybe - with the ideas or thoughts of others, I own the truck free and clear. No loan. I paid outright for it, so that won't enter into it. Likely makes no difference, but if anyone was wondering about being up-side-down or anything, that may simplify things??? Just added information.
It seems one of the bigger things is the changes I've made - and if anyone has thoughts on what to leave, what to take off, etc. - yeah, I'm actually asking for thoughts there. If it was anything else, and there was only pure logic involved, it would be easy. But there's all sorts of other stuff that enters - feelings about the truck I have now, the emotions involved with big purchases, "buying something new" and so on. Some things are no-brainers, you can step back and totally remove yourself. For me this isn't that simple.

Just have to ask - have you been to Iowa?
Just want to dispel a myth and misinformation many have of Iowa.........
If we want flat, we drive over to NE or KS, or a drive over to IL or IN.

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This article dispels common myths about Iowa......... and almost every time, but biggest mistake even "stars" and "celebrities" make is - "Iowa is flat". LOL - uh, no.
Remember 1976, the bicentennial train across the US? They had to send extra engines in to pull it through some of our hills. There's interesting stories associated with why some rail stops are located where they are in our coal mining areas.

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I feel like I would rather spend the 9-12k on my current gladiator, vs starting all over again. You could do a lot to a gladiator with 12k.
I agree with this personally, although it would be tempting for me. 9-12K + the time and money to undo / redo the mods wouldn't be quite worth it, unless you were able to get some options or something that wasn't available on your '20 that you can get now.
 

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If it were me, and if you’re tempted, I’d wait until the 23 model year to see if you can get an i6. Likely the trade values could still be high. If not, you’ll likely still like your Jeep. I do like my 4H auto, but I wouldn’t see it as that important in Iowa, as I do on steep mountain grades. Flat Midwest snowy and icy roads are more helpful with traction control and great abs. IMO.
Putting the I6 in a JT would maybe make me consider selling mine if I can still get the Max Tow package. I'd have to wait for it to be out for at least 2yrs before pulling the trigger though to make sure the kinks are worked out.
 
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I agree with this personally, although it would be tempting for me. 9-12K + the time and money to undo / redo the mods wouldn't be quite worth it, unless you were able to get some options or something that wasn't available on your '20 that you can get now.
Not the mods I have made aren't expensive or massive in scope. Springs, shocks, LCAs, bumper, winch and other small odds and ends like the backup and fog lights.

I can only think of $3,400 worth of other things I'd do to mine - steel rear bumper and the power steps like the RSE or whatever they are.

I can't think of anything I'd do on my truck beyond that, and especially that would take even 5 grand, let alone 12 grand - other than the full-time transfer case. But as has been discovered, that's not something you can add later.
It's the one thing that wasn't even an option in 2019.

So it's not like "spend the 12K on mods" - if I had 12K and someone said "Spend it on mods and you can't spend it on anything else or for anything else", I'd probably put on the power steps, the rear bumper and give the rest back if I could only spend it on mods.

I don't need 35" tires, I don't need a 4" lift, I do need to maintain towing ability and payload and doing those things would take away from towing and take away from payload.

the time and money to undo / redo the mods wouldn't be quite worth it
Just time -
Front bumper, winch, lower control arms, springs, shocks, tailgate ladder (just 6 screws), fog lights, backup lights (about an hour each to swap them back). No money involved, just time.
I have all of the original parts.
The only real hassle, aside from the time spent on removing suspension parts and swapping back) is the 5 matching tires and wheels. But - I'd bet that some dealers would allow me to swap my wheels and tires onto a new vehicle and put the brand new wheels and tires and spare on this one. Could be listed as having new tires all around.
 

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Just my .02 cents worth would be to put it back to stock and sell the mods on the open market or put them on your new purchase. Sadly you will get almost as much trade for a dirt stock vehicle as with the mods installed. They usually will not give you what your modifications cost, just a very small percentage. I got into that with an 04 lifted Rubicon, I think that if you have the time and energy you would come out better that way.
 

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I've found many times wishing I had the same transfer case my Chevy had, or what my other Jeeps have had.
It's a lot better with the far better tires, but our roads are dry, slick, dry, slick, over and over, and the dry areas are just too long to leave it in 4H. Even my wife has asked why I have to keep shifting it.

Just to help - maybe - with the ideas or thoughts of others, I own the truck free and clear. No load. I paid outright for it, so that won't enter into it. Likely makes no difference, but if anyone was wondering about being up-side-down or anything, that may simplify things??? Just added information.
It seems one of the bigger things is the changes I've made - and if anyone has thoughts on what to leave, what to take off, etc. - yeah, I'm actually asking for thoughts there. If it was anything else, and there was only pure logic involved, it would be easy. But there's all sorts of other stuff that enters - feelings about the truck I have now, the emotions involved with big purchases, "buying something new" and so on. Some things are no-brainers, you can step back and totally remove yourself. For me this isn't that simple.

Just have to ask - have you been to Iowa?
Just want to dispel a myth and misinformation many have of Iowa.........
If we want flat, we drive over to NE or KS, or a drive over to IL or IN.

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This article dispels common myths about Iowa......... and almost every time, but biggest mistake even "stars" and "celebrities" make is - "Iowa is flat". LOL - uh, no.
Remember 1976, the bicentennial train across the US? They had to send extra engines in to pull it through some of our hills. There's interesting stories associated with why some rail stops are located where they are in our coal mining areas.

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I grew up on WI. So very similar cold, flat, black ice, sun zero temps. Etc.
 
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Just my .02 cents worth would be to put it back to stock and sell the mods on the open market or put them on your new purchase. Sadly you will get almost as much trade for a dirt stock vehicle as with the mods installed. They usually will not give you what your modifications cost, just a very small percentage. I got into that with an 04 lifted Rubicon, I think that if you have the time and energy you would come out better that way.
Yes, I'd remove the changes and put it back stock. Like my wife said on the way home today "you have all of those parts, right"? Yes, all boxed up stashed on shelves in the garage. Some will be like new. Besides, even the Badland Apex winches have gone up several bucks since I bought mine - so it's worth it to remove/transfer it, and other parts.

Mine isn't really lifted - I put Rubicon springs and spacers up front to offset the winch and bumper. It is likely only about 1" higher than stock up front. Max tow springs in the back help support it better when towing.
 

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Just my .02 cents worth would be to put it back to stock and sell the mods on the open market or put them on your new purchase. Sadly you will get almost as much trade for a dirt stock vehicle as with the mods installed. They usually will not give you what your modifications cost, just a very small percentage. I got into that with an 04 lifted Rubicon, I think that if you have the time and energy you would come out better that way.
Not in today's market and that depends on the vehicle. On a jeep Wrangler or gladiator mods like bumpers and lifts and wheels and tires will be a plus for a dealership because it makes the vehicle more appealing to sell. They will mark them up. My 2010 jeep Wrangler Jku I sold to the dealership to buy the JT was a pretty beat up. Ac didn't work, top was worn out and leaking. It had trail scratches and a few dings down the sides and something was going on with the winch losing power, not to count the check engine light issue I never could quite fix. 139,000 miles on it in 2020 and they still cut me a check for $11000 for it and turned around and sold it for $18,000.

KBB had the 2010 wrangler in good condition at the time with no mechanical flaws at $10,000 and I'd say mine was in fair condition with at least 3 mechanical flaws that they knew about when giving me the $11,000. They also never drive it, they just hooked the scanner up, saw the codes it was throwing and asked me what I wanted for it. I threw a $11,000 price at them and they gave it to me.
 

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Yes, I'd remove the changes and put it back stock. Like my wife said on the way home today "you have all of those parts, right"? Yes, all boxed up stashed on shelves in the garage. Some will be like new. Besides, even the Badland Apex winches have gone up several bucks since I bought mine - so it's worth it to remove/transfer it, and other parts.

Mine isn't really lifted - I put Rubicon springs and spacers up front to offset the winch and bumper. It is likely only about 1" higher than stock up front. Max tow springs in the back help support it better when towing.
I think that you would be happier that way. Some dealers have the wrong idea that everything stock is better than everything aftermarket. Actually I have found the reverse to be usually true. On the other hand a private buyer may dig everything that you have done and pay you more but dealers usually will not.
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