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[punk'n]

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There's no law against being stupid or irresponsible. You can be pulled over for drinking and driving but there's no law against sleeping and driving or being stupid and driving.

In NJ there is a criminal charge for lack of sleep if there is a fatality.

Under N.J.S.A. 2C: 11-5, a sleep-deprived driver can be charged with vehicular homicide, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $100,000 fine. So can a driver using a hand held phone. It's considered Reckless operation. If there is no fatality, there is still a law that covers it under Reckless driving but its not a crime. It a MV summons.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-11-5

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[ShadowsPapa]

In NJ there is a criminal charge for lack of sleep if there is a fatality.

Under N.J.S.A. 2C: 11-5, a sleep-deprived driver can be charged with vehicular homicide, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $100,000 fine. So can a driver using a hand held phone. It's considered Reckless operation. If there is no fatality, there is still a law that covers it under Reckless driving but its not a crime. It a MV summons.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-11-5

IF the details are like IL, you must prove that they've had less than xx hours of sleep in a 24 hour period. Pretty much impossible to do - interview all of their family and neighbors? The laws are toothless.
I did a lot of research in 2018 when that happened, found that the reason the laws aren't better is that courts strike the stuff down as being unconstitutional. Certain things aren't "criminal".

Here's the statement that kills any such law:
Proof that the defendant fell asleep while driving or was driving after having been without sleep for a period in excess of 24 consecutive hours may give rise to an inference that the defendant was driving recklessly.

PROOF that they were driving after having been without sleep for a period in excess of 24 hours. MAY give rise......
Even 18 hours can get to people, then you have to PROVE they've had no sleep. All they have to do is say they pulled over and slept a couple of hours at some park. Prove that they didn't.
It doesn't take being without sleep "more than 24 hours" to cause a person to fall asleep.
The patrol here says the track of the vehicle was a perfect match for a sleeping driver, and then the first words to the deputy first on the scene "I fell asleep", he said it out loud and it was recorded, but there's no law. He even explained how he worked a long night shift, then had a meeting and knew he was tired! Still, no law.

 

[punk'n]

IF the details are like IL, you must prove that they've had less than xx hours of sleep in a 24 hour period. Pretty much impossible to do - interview all of their family and neighbors? The laws are toothless.
I did a lot of research in 2018 when that happened, found that the reason the laws aren't better is that courts strike the stuff down as being unconstitutional. Certain things aren't "criminal".

Here's the statement that kills any such law:
Proof that the defendant fell asleep while driving or was driving after having been without sleep for a period in excess of 24 consecutive hours may give rise to an inference that the defendant was driving recklessly.

PROOF that they were driving after having been without sleep for a period in excess of 24 hours. MAY give rise......
Even 18 hours can get to people, then you have to PROVE they've had no sleep. All they have to do is say they pulled over and slept a couple of hours at some park. Prove that they didn't.
It doesn't take being without sleep "more than 24 hours" to cause a person to fall asleep.
The patrol here says the track of the vehicle was a perfect match for a sleeping driver, and then the first words to the deputy first on the scene "I fell asleep", he said it out loud and it was recorded, but there's no law. He even explained how he worked a long night shift, then had a meeting and knew he was tired! Still, no law.

I wasn't debating the merits of the law. I merely stated that there was a law that made it a crime.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My guess would be that no one has ever been charged under that law........... the bar is so high. Technically, it's still not a crime to fall asleep and kill someone in that state. (unless on a Tuesday, 3rd full moon of the month, temperature over 76 degrees)
But it made the legislators there feel good. LOL

 

[punk'n]

My guess would be that no one has ever been charged under that law........... the bar is so high. Technically, it's still not a crime to fall asleep and kill someone in that state. (unless on a Tuesday, 3rd full moon of the month, temperature over 76 degrees)
But it made the legislators there feel good. LOL

The truck driver in the Tracy Morgan crash was charged with it in NJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/...organ-crash-is-charged-with-manslaughter.html

The truck driver later plead guilty to vehicular homicide and four aggravated assault charges. However, his plea allowed him to avoid prison. Once again, not debating merits of the law or the outcome of the case.

 

[Jt-wrx]

Maybe I'm bored but I just have to jump in.

You couldn't be more wrong. The roads are far safer than they have ever been with all this nanny tech. Including you. Things like dynamic stability control, antilock brakes, airbags, dynamic braking, etc, etc. I was a fatal collision investigator for a number of years and it is so much different than it used to be. I get that you feel like you want a simple vehicle and that there are plenty of people out there that would buy one. I don't believe that is true. The number is probably much smaller than you think. Jeep won't even make a 2 door Gladiator because they won't sell enough and I am sure they would sell more of them then some stripped down basic model. All of this is moot because federal highway safety laws would not allow what you want to be sold as a new vehicle today even if we all wanted one.

I for one understand the original thought here. To get rid of the need for the radio signal to start the Jeep. My understanding is to simplify the Jeep and somehow make it more reliable. The OP was asking for someone to essentially do this for him as it didn't seem like he had done any research into the system. Yes there were some negative folks in there but most just realistically explained that it is a deeply integrated system and would be cost prohibitive and extremely technically difficult to do. That knowledge doesn't make anyone a sheep, it makes them a realist. I built the TJ in my profile Pic from a stripped frame. You know what? It had a computer, and sensors and airbags. Was it more simple than my JT? Of course, was it as simple as my 77 CJ? Heck no. But as a trained high speed pursuit driver I am far safer as well as the people around me when I am driving my JT.

You know who the most dangerous person on the road is? The one who thinks they are better than everyone else.

as I'm partially responsible for this derail

the more dipsticks we give licenses to the more nannies we need, we have whole schools of blind leading the blind and passing out drivers licenses, the easier we make things the more nannies we will need, driving is a right not a privilege...right?

how many people you know that wish they didn't even have to drive and think self drive Tesla is the cat's meow? driving is a chore, a crappy necessity of life....these people should ride the bus, use uber, but they shouldn't have cars or licenses...you keep giving licenses to these people who'd rather just pay for license than pass the same driving test I had to pass...and you will see more and more nannies and legislations etc. required

cocky people, sleepy people, plus 10 more types are the reason for this...the understanding of what your'e doing behind the wheel is lost, made too easy, made too convenient, people can't seem to compute how many still die on the roads today with the seriousness required every time you get behind a wheel, they just jump with the seriousness and engagement levels it takes to operate a grocery cart and fly down the roads.....so I'm not wrong, it's not the guys like shadow in his AMC's you have to worry about, or those enthusiasts who can understand and operate safely for everyone the vast majority of vehicles allowed on the road....they are engaged, aware, and skilled drivers, these are the people you want on the road....it's a good portion of the rest that should be in a bus or an uber and not sure why anyone would buy a self drive feature car when they don't own it and anyone else can operate it yet that one person is 100% liable for it? pure madness, so ya...keep adding the nannies to keep trying to protect everyone else from people that should never be behind the wheel in the first place, it's the best solution we got, and have had for ages, no amount of nannies will keep up to this system, it always comes back to the nut behind the wheel, that's the only true place to solve the issues, half the population wouldn't pass a driving test adequate to the risks of operating up to a few tons at speed in public

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The truck driver in the Tracy Morgan crash was charged with it in NJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/...organ-crash-is-charged-with-manslaughter.html

The truck driver later plead guilty to vehicular homicide and four aggravated assault charges. However, his plea allowed him to avoid prison. Once again, not debating merits of the law or the outcome of the case.

INTERESTING.
Do you know how they proved he had no sleep in more than 24 hours, or did they just get him to admit it? Likely not public info, just curious. Of course with a truck driver, there are logs........ if they were correct and accurate, maybe his company had GPS on the truck.
Whatever, it's interesting that they did end up charging him anyway.
Learn something every day.

 

[WILDHOBO]

as I'm partially responsible for this derail

the more dipsticks we give licenses to the more nannies we need, we have whole schools of blind leading the blind and passing out drivers licenses, the easier we make things the more nannies we will need, driving is a right not a privilege...right?

how many people you know that wish they didn't even have to drive and think self drive Tesla is the cat's meow? driving is a chore, a crappy necessity of life....these people should ride the bus, use uber, but they shouldn't have cars or licenses...you keep giving licenses to these people who'd rather just pay for license than pass the same driving test I had to pass...and you will see more and more nannies and legislations etc. required

cocky people, sleepy people, plus 10 more types are the reason for this...the understanding of what your'e doing behind the wheel is lost, made too easy, made too convenient, people can't seem to compute how many still die on the roads today with the seriousness required every time you get behind a wheel, they just jump with the seriousness and engagement levels it takes to operate a grocery cart and fly down the roads.....so I'm not wrong, it's not the guys like shadow in his AMC's you have to worry about, or those enthusiasts who can understand and operate safely for everyone the vast majority of vehicles allowed on the road....they are engaged, aware, and skilled drivers, these are the people you want on the road....it's a good portion of the rest that should be in a bus or an uber and not sure why anyone would buy a self drive feature car when they don't own it and anyone else can operate it yet that one person is 100% liable for it? pure madness, so ya...keep adding the nannies to keep trying to protect everyone else from people that should never be behind the wheel in the first place, it's the best solution we got, and have had for ages, no amount of nannies will keep up to this system, it always comes back to the nut behind the wheel, that's the only true place to solve the issues, half the population wouldn't pass a driving test adequate to the risks of operating up to a few tons at speed in public

Go away.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

how many people you know that wish they didn't even have to drive and think self drive Tesla is the cat's meow? driving is a chore, a crappy necessity of life..

Only in the states.
People elsewhere prefer to take public transportation. Trains are never empty, subways almost always at capacity, people love the bus and public transport. Taxis are almost as common as other vehicles in some places (and almost all LP powered)
We're totally spoiled here. In many other places, the preference is to not own a car at all, let someone else do the driving.
Americans need to get out of their shells and get out and about and see how the rest of the world does things and get over the me-me-me bits.

 

[BrentMG]

Frankly, I like the TIP start. I get in, foot on brake, touch the button and then proceed to put on my seatbelt while the thing is cranking and starting. It's almost a hands-off start process.
Foot on brake, just touch the button and let go.
My wife used to curse the Chevy with the key - she's got a handicap that prevents her from easily holding a key in her right hand and getting it into the lock and turning it.
So for her the button is a blessing.
Either that or I was going to try to find a way to move the ignition lock/switch over to the left side of the column. Why the hell car makers put the damned key on the right side is beyond me.
And I hate that silly dimmer switch on the turn signal switch lever. What's up with that.
The floor dimmer wasn't good enough?

It seemed like with time those key ignitions needed to be in their sweet spot to start too. Meaning I'd have to provide just a hair of upwards pressure for it to want to accept the key and start.

 

[Barnaby’sdad]

INTERESTING.
Do you know how they proved he had no sleep in more than 24 hours, or did they just get him to admit it? Likely not public info, just curious. Of course with a truck driver, there are logs........ if they were correct and accurate, maybe his company had GPS on the truck.
Whatever, it's interesting that they did end up charging him anyway.
Learn something every day.

Odds are in a situation like that, they don’t have to prove anything. Read someone their rights at the scene when they’re in sensory overload mode, make sure they understand their rights (or at least say that they do), ask an innocuous question or two to get them talking and sooner or later the person will jam themself up. I.e. After some small talk, work in “how did you sleep last night?”

 

[SpeedNeed]

Apologies for pursuing the off-topic comments, but I think we could solve a whole lot of driving idiocy if drivers licenses expired and required a fresh basic driving test. Most places in the US you’re better off burning the flag than suggesting that.

I’m surprised this thread is still active. It‘s obvious that none of us is going to share with OP the correct sequence of switches, pedals, and FM radio tuning that are required to bypass the starter system.

 

[Rusty PW]

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[ShadowsPapa]

It seemed like with time those key ignitions needed to be in their sweet spot to start too. Meaning I'd have to provide just a hair of upwards pressure for it to want to accept the key and start.

Only if worn or misadjusted. I've only had one do that and it was over 150,000 miles. I have since replaced the switch (column mounted), and lock cylinder (found new old stock with matching door locks).
But they had their issues as they wore - and if you kept your work keys, house keys, your neighbor's house keys and the kids lucky rabbit's foot on the key chain, no promises.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

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