Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[Jt-wrx]

Wow. You truly think this will ever happen? See the future? I see your future with high doses of anti psychotics. And you keep mentioning the mythreedom fobs as if it makes an ounce of sense. They do nothing but repackage what you claim to hate. The fobs function identicallly, just with a slightly smaller package, and not key flip. Crawl back into your troll cave. You’re not offering up ideas. You’re just calling people sheep. You call yourself a wolf, but the sheep, as you refer to them, seem to keep eluding you. Good luck on your next 5 page rant. Hope it makes you feel better.

don't get off in the ditch looking at the weeds again, the point was those who complained were mocked by guys like you, but a guy had the vision to start a business to solve the issues for those and now look....the point is a solution was created, surely wouldn't have been created from any of the negative nelly's in those threads....yet many of those negative nelly's likely bucked up the 50 bucks and got their own new and tiny fob lol

again, the point is...that could happen again for the push button start crap, someone might see there could be an opportunity to go down this rabbit hole and it could go well beyond jeep....but maybe not, America is great because lots of folks not afraid to try, so keep on negative Nelly-ing things to death lol

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[ShadowsPapa]

there are people who don't want nannies, airbags, air link keys, traction control, abs, giant fuse boxes full of shat,

Then they have no rights on the road, IMO - because those "nannies" as you call them may save my life from some idiot driver who hates them. I don't care if the idiot dies because he's too stupid to understand they save ME the cost of cleaning up his blood, guts and brains off the highway after he head-ons into some family, but I do care when those morons hit and kill someone else because they are such perfect drivers.
If we could sort out such people and say - if you are in an accident, YOU pay all costs of law enforcement, emergency responders, clean-up crews, EPA cleanup of the oil and gas, fire department putting out or preventing fires, etc. - fine, strip it down but you pay all costs, every bit of it, and you personally are responsible for anyone you injure because you think you are better than others and don't need "nannies".
If you read university studies, you'd know that having such things actually causes people to pay more attention and be MORE observant and less dependent. It's counter to popular thinking, but tests have shown people can recount more details of the road around them when driving with such things.

Here's my question - why the heck even BUY a new vehicle? Go buy a 1970s Jeep and have it totally restored. It would actually cost you less and you'd have a solid vehicle for less money and no "nannies" as you call them.
Do similar to what I did with my SX4 - a classic car that turns heads, fun to drive, 1980s technology, no "nannies", no fob, with the advantages of the 4.0 and fuel injection. Rebuilt from the ground up I have less in it than what many new cars cost.
My wife has to have power locks and power windows, so I added those, she can't legally drive a stick due to her arms handicap, but physically, don't tell her she can't.
It's the best of both worlds. simple, reliable, cheaper than buying a new car and even insurance and license are a fraction of new.

If I ever got my hands on a "classic Jeep" that's exactly what I'd do - strip it and rebuild it from the ground up, cheaper than new, but just like new.

 

[WILDHOBO]

holy crap, haven't seen me post before? you suggesting I don't know anything about rev hang? good lord man, know all about it, please see my last couple posts and see if you can pick up on the points being made here and why these threads exist, there are people who don't want nannies, airbags, air link keys, traction control, abs, giant fuse boxes full of shat, computers for computers, connectivity....some just want a robust 4wd with a battery, motor, power steering and brakes and a steering wheel....will we get it? not likely...but it's what we want, carry on bash some other thread

If you know anything, no one can see it through your insane rants. We’ve said it before. If you want an old manual vehicle without electronics, go buy a 40 year old CJ and shut up. Stop bashing Jeep for making vehicles better. Most people like these vehicles. If you don’t, I could give a sh1t.

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

perfect example right here...another comfort addicted soul who 'for the life of him' can't figure out why anyone would dare want something different than him...good lord

so these threads are not for you, are people starting to catch on yet? there's a group of people and anyone can choose to want different things at different times in life...freedom is wonderful isn't it? to have choices and options? well....there are people who want incredibly basic machines and removes as much tech and nanny as possible, and they want that for a variety of reasons...all valid because it's what they want....just like what you want now is essentially a car that drives itself so you can play with yourself lol....you're free to want that...anyone hacking on you for that?

so....most of the 15 pages of this thread full of sheep that because they don't understand the desire feel they must attack and help conform the non-sheep back into the herd for comfort...lol, move along, these threads aren't for you....bah bah

I couldn't get through reading this word salad, but if you want people to work with you on solving issues you don't like, it would go a long way to at least try using capitalization and punctuation. Oh, and not being a dick. That would probably also help.

 

[punk'n]

So, how's everyone's day going so far ?

 

[WILDHOBO]

don't get off in the ditch looking at the weeds again, the point was those who complained were mocked by guys like you, but a guy had the vision to start a business to solve the issues for those and now look....the point is a solution was created, surely wouldn't have been created from any of the negative nelly's in those threads....yet many of those negative nelly's likely bucked up the 50 bucks and got their own new and tiny fob lol

again, the point is...that could happen again for the push button start crap, someone might see there could be an opportunity to go down this rabbit hole and it could go well beyond jeep....but maybe not, America is great because lots of folks not afraid to try, so keep on negative Nelly-ing things to death lol

And yet different plastic packaging on the same functional fob is not the same as eliminating an RF fob. And I didn’t mock the OP. I supported his desire. I’m mocking you, and for good reason.

 

[Jt-wrx]

shadow...that guy with the nice restored cj5 ok to be on the road bud? what about all those classic car guys and car shows, and I mean really old ford model t's etc. etc. all those guys need to get off the road for you and your tech? why you think a lot of people buy motorcycles? do you know the feelings around that and having to use all four appendages to control it...doesn't make sense to your logic here but sure are lots of these people and machines on the road

what about that guy that wants a build project for trailering to offload parks, or farmer/ranchers that rarely need to use main roads? do you think they could handle something outside a Tesla? lmfao

you'll need to correct yourself here shadow, you've fallen into a bit of a trap, quit while you're ahead

 

[Jt-wrx]

And yet different plastic packaging on the same functional fob is not the same as eliminating an RF fob. And I didn’t mock the OP. I supported his desire. I’m mocking you, and for good reason.

your memory sucks, the fob was hated for it's size and weight and ability to double as a self defence weapon, try to stay out of the weeds and get the 'point', guys were mocked for not wanting to carry a purse for the giant brick etc. the rfid crap wasn't part of that hate nor the solution provided by first AJT then even better by mythreedom, anyhow, I'm sure you get the point but you'd rather not lol

 

[WILDHOBO]

shadow...that guy with the nice restored cj5 ok to be on the road bud? what about all those classic car guys and car shows, and I mean really old ford model t's etc. etc. all those guys need to get off the road for you and your tech? why you think a lot of people buy motorcycles? do you know the feelings around that and having to use all four appendages to control it...doesn't make sense to your logic here but sure are lots of these people and machines on the road

you'll need to correct yourself here shadow, you've fallen into a bit of a trap, quit while you're ahead

We’re all telling you to do exactly that. Go buy an old CJ. Of course those don’t need to be taken off the road. But new vehicles will continue to be built with higher safety and emissions standards. Get over it. What we’re saying, is go away. Stop telling people with newer vehicles that we’re sheep. Get off this forum and go be happier somewhere else. You’re clearly not happy here.

 

[WILDHOBO]

your memory sucks, the fob was hated for it's size and weight and ability to double as a self defence weapon, try to stay out of the weeds and get the 'point'

Maybe you should. This thread was started with a desire to get rid of the RF, not the size.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So, how's everyone's day going so far ?

Good, thank you. I learned a bit about PA law this morning. The cats are all happy, sleeping after 3 breakfasts, all is good.

 

[Jt-wrx]

I couldn't get through reading this word salad, but if you want people to work with you on solving issues you don't like, it would go a long way to at least try using capitalization and punctuation. Oh, and not being a dick. That would probably also help.

ah...see...my purpose here is to identify and hopefully remove the negative nellies...or as you say 'dicks', sometimes it takes a bit of the same back to draw attention to the very thing

this thread isn't for you, you said so in first two sentences yet you posted a whole bunch of extra anyway....why? you don't think it's ok for people to want things different from what you want?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We’re all telling you to do exactly that. Go buy an old CJ. Of course those don’t need to be taken off the road. But new vehicles will continue to be built with higher safety and emissions standards. Get over it. What we’re saying, is go away. Stop telling people with newer vehicles that we’re sheep. Get off this forum and go be happier somewhere else. You’re clearly not happy here.

No sheep here, I drive AMCs LOL


And my point about classics vs. stripping a new vehicle was totally missed.
You are ultra careful - or should be - when driving something that absolutely cannot be replaced, you drive LESS, fewer miles, so the risk is lower in that way. I don't purposely disable safety equipment on anything.
Check the stats - number of classic or collector car accidents vs. new vehicle accident numbers.
We are a lower risk in our old cars. Lower numbers as well. We actually restore our seatbelts with newer, modern webbing, new bolts, latches get restored, steering gets updated or upgraded, and more. Some even install new glass with urethane instead of butyl.
A Model A or T can't go as fast as even your CJ7, and is very light. the chances of killing someone ELSE while driving a Model A is pretty damned slim. A coke bottle will hold up the axle of a Model T while you change the wheel. Top speed is probably 1/2 to 1/3 that of a Gladiator.
A Model A is just over a ton - about 2200 pounds. An Eagle is about 3200-3300. Your truck is more than double that of a Model A and goes a whole lot faster. The Eagle speedometer tops out at 80. It's about 3/4 ton lighter than a Gladiator.
2.5 tons of truck going down the road at 70 is a lot more deadly than 1 or 1.5 tons going down the road at less.
I also leave a whole heck of a lot more space between me and the fool ahead of me when I drive my other cars. If someone squeezes in, I fall back again.
Apples and oranges.

 

[NachoRuby]

No sheep here, I drive AMCs LOL


And my point about classics vs. stripping a new vehicle was totally missed.
You are ultra careful - or should be - when driving something that absolutely cannot be replaced, you drive LESS, fewer miles, so the risk is lower in that way. I don't purposely disable safety equipment on anything.
Check the stats - number of classic or collector car accidents vs. new vehicle accident numbers.
We are a lower risk in our old cars. Lower numbers as well. We actually restore our seatbelts with newer, modern webbing, new bolts, latches get restored, steering gets updated or upgraded, and more. Some even install new glass with urethane instead of butyl.
A Model A or T can't go as fast as even your CJ7, and is very light. the chances of killing someone ELSE while driving a Model A is pretty damned slim. A coke bottle will hold up the axle of a Model T while you change the wheel. Top speed is probably 1/2 to 1/3 that of a Gladiator.
A Model A is just over a ton - about 2200 pounds. An Eagle is about 3200-3300. Your truck is more than double that of a Model A and goes a whole lot faster. The Eagle speedometer tops out at 80. It's about 3/4 ton lighter than a Gladiator.
2.5 tons of truck going down the road at 70 is a lot more deadly than 1 or 1.5 tons going down the road at less.
I also leave a whole heck of a lot more space between me and the fool ahead of me when I drive my other cars. If someone squeezes in, I fall back again.
Apples and oranges.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I'm so used to driving my old car that I leave way more space than most when driving even my jeep. And the first thing I did when I started driving the classic car was upgrade all of the brakes and the seatbelts.

 

[sharpsicle]

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