STOLEN from my driveway this morning! New Jeeps are crazy easy to steal apparently...

[21Moja]

Yes You can get one shipped to the states. With today's exchange rates its $143.82 for one

Cheaper than the Ravelco...

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[abe57]

Cheaper than the Ravelco...

And self install !

 

[21Moja]

And self install !

Very true...I might have to be a guinea pig for this one...

 

[NachoRuby]

I can recall when access to the ODB (1 or 2) port was in the engine bay. Access to a lot of things was out there. To hack a vehicle meant only that you needed physical access to the vehicle for a few seconds, even with the doors locked, because you could access OBD ports. They were then moved into the cabin where they were more easily protected. If someone wanted to mess with a vehicle, they could open the hood, and they were able to install their wares

The obdii port only works if the key is in the run position though. You still need a key or a way to bypass the key. It won't do anything but give power unless the key is on. I'm sure you have gotten the error message if you stick a code reader on with the key off before. Just plugging something in the port with they key not in run does nothing but provide 12 volts of power. You can't access or upload firmware that way unless the key is on.

 

[MASS_JT]

Can't prevent it all...but you can statistically reduce your chances greatly. Good lighting, locked doors, garaged vehicles, good alarm, good video system, placards stating said facts on video and alarms. Even an alert dog. Goes a long way. Removing any one or all of those elevates your chances significantly.

Not every situation fits...but, in general...financially speaking...its bad financial form to live in an apartment with with a 60K vehicle parked in the lot and outside. Considering, in general, the two largest money expenses for people are living quarters and vehicles...and an apartment and 60K truck are 2 nearly sunk costs for said person. Meaning most likely 40-70% of their income is going towards sunk costs. Which is why I said, in general, if you can't afford to get your vehicle secured then there's a strong chance that you cannot afford the vehicle.

You realize the average vehicle is now like 45k? Gladiators can be had for that price. Also I’d bet less than 25% of gladiators are garaged. I own a home but can’t have a garage. Additionally, many people just prefer to rent. You’re being ignorant by making claims about peoples income on a vehicle forum. It is absolutely not a requirement for people to have extra security measures for a vehicle. Insurance exists for a reason.

 

[BLK HOLE]

You realize the average vehicle is now like 45k? Gladiators can be had for that price. Also I’d bet less than 25% of gladiators are garaged. I own a home but can’t have a garage. Additionally, many people just prefer to rent. You’re being arrogant by making claims about peoples income on a vehicle forum. It is absolutely not a requirement for people to have extra security measures for a vehicle. Insurance exists for a reason.

I’m ok with your excuses.

 

[ntwrkguru]

First thing I noticed as a first time Jeep owner. What's up with the anyone can open the hood ordeal.

My 87 Wrangler has one lock, on the tailgate, and I don’t have a key for it. ?

 

[Geoarch]

Yep, true facts, most thefts are due to owner carelessness and leaving things in plain sight in the cabin. I even pull my Midland GMRS unit out of the truck when parked, as many accessories only take seconds to hide from view. Simple visible things like steering wheel locks, e.g. Club, and hood locks will make amateur thiefs look elsewhere, another Jeep maybe.

Right. We were on a hike in the Sandia Mtn foothills a few years ago, and when we got back to the trailhead and parking lot, a woman was standing by her car screaming profanity. When I asked what happened, she said her purse was stolen. We are City trail watch volunteers so I asked where the purse was when she left the car, and she said she left it on the front seat! Her car was parked right in front of the sign telling everyone to not leave valuables in your car.

 

[Geoarch]

Yes You can get one shipped to the states. With today's exchange rates its $143.82 for one

According to their applications list, Jeep is not on it.

 

[abe57]

According to their applications list, Jeep is not on it.

The web sight is kinda confusing .... hit order now and fill out the first page and I think the second page it will ask what year vehicle,type and battery #. I have it all filled out just have not pushed the button yet !

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The obdii port only works if the key is in the run position though. You still need a key or a way to bypass the key. It won't do anything but give power unless the key is on. I'm sure you have gotten the error message if you stick a code reader on with the key off before. Just plugging something in the port with they key not in run does nothing but provide 12 volts of power. You can't access or upload firmware that way unless the key is on.

Uh, my point is with physical access, someone can plug a device into the OBD port, and sit back and control the vehicle to some extent. It's been done and is one reason Jeep has the security gateway - and that OBD ports are in the cabin now.
It's been proven.
And yeah, you sit back and wait for the owner to power it up.
The firmware is in the device - owner gets in, hits key, there ya go.
Or, they wait for the owner to start it, you connect with a laptop and take control.
Leave the car unattended, or at some shop, come back to car, start driving and the engine dies, steering locks, brakes won't function, etc. even messages on the infotainment system.
All that's needed is physical access to the port. No key. Device is left plugged in.

Further, leaving those BT or wifi OBD adapters plugged in all the time like you see advertised on TV i a no-no according to experts.

Wonder why FCA vehicles have that security gateway Jeep people hate? (and why you should never leave the bypass cable in place with an OBD wifi or BT adapter in place ->

Once they had control over the vehicle the reporter was driving, Miller and Valasek were able to turn its radio's volume up to full blast, trigger the windshield wipers and cut off the transmission as a truck approached. Later in the demonstration, they cut the brakes at low speed, sending the car into a ditch.

All that was needed was a few seconds of physical access. No key, just access to the port.

There's even a chance of uploading malware that can spread.

 

[am1978]

I have an Apple AirTag hidden on my JT. It will ping off anyone’s iPhone if it comes into Bluetooth range, even passersby, all without telling them, and then sends its location updates to me in the FindMy app. An Apple AirTag doesn’t really alert anyone of its presence for a few days if it becomes separated from my iPhone. It take a couple of days to alert someone that an AirTag is separated from its owner and has been moving with the non-owner for a few days, at which time it will beep. If the thief is savvy enough to locate the device using an app to make it ping then sure they can find it—hopefully that’s not the highest priority within the first few hours while I am tracking it. It’s not the best solution, but it’s an option.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have an Apple AirTag hidden on my JT. It will ping off anyone’s iPhone if it comes into Bluetooth range, even passersby, all without telling them, and then sends its location updates to me in the FindMy app. An Apple AirTag doesn’t really alert anyone of its presence for a few days if it becomes separated from my iPhone. It take a couple of days to alert someone that an AirTag is separated from its owner and has been moving with the non-owner for a few days, at which time it will beep. If the thief is savvy enough to locate the device using an app to make it ping then sure they can find it—hopefully that’s not the highest priority within the first few hours while I am tracking it. It’s not the best solution, but it’s an option.

Yeah, I have an app that checks for the presence of those devices.
Any thief should be smart enough to check, or, if they aren't near enough to an iPhone for a BT connection, it isn't going to work so only if they stay in range of apple phones BT, will it work to find the truck. If they brought it out here, you ain't gonna find it. It would have to remain in a city populated with iPhone users. BT only goes so far.
But it's something if they keep it in town.

 

[NachoRuby]

Uh, my point is with physical access, someone can plug a device into the OBD port, and sit back and control the vehicle to some extent. It's been done and is one reason Jeep has the security gateway - and that OBD ports are in the cabin now.
It's been proven.
And yeah, you sit back and wait for the owner to power it up.
The firmware is in the device - owner gets in, hits key, there ya go.
Or, they wait for the owner to start it, you connect with a laptop and take control.
Leave the car unattended, or at some shop, come back to car, start driving and the engine dies, steering locks, brakes won't function, etc. even messages on the infotainment system.
All that's needed is physical access to the port. No key. Device is left plugged in.

Further, leaving those BT or wifi OBD adapters plugged in all the time like you see advertised on TV i a no-no according to experts.

Wonder why FCA vehicles have that security gateway Jeep people hate? (and why you should never leave the bypass cable in place with an OBD wifi or BT adapter in place ->

Once they had control over the vehicle the reporter was driving, Miller and Valasek were able to turn its radio's volume up to full blast, trigger the windshield wipers and cut off the transmission as a truck approached. Later in the demonstration, they cut the brakes at low speed, sending the car into a ditch.

All that was needed was a few seconds of physical access. No key, just access to the port.

There's even a chance of uploading malware that can spread.

Yes, with physical access to the port, you're right, someone can do some stuff. With some cars, it's obvious if something is in the port, like in my wife's VW. You have to take the ash tray out. In many, like ours, it's not as obvious if you're not looking. I fully understand the security gateway, though.

 

[PlayfulBird]

Can't prevent it all...but you can statistically reduce your chances greatly. Good lighting, locked doors, garaged vehicles, good alarm, good video system, placards stating said facts on video and alarms. Even an alert dog. Goes a long way. Removing any one or all of those elevates your chances significantly.

Not every situation fits...but, in general...financially speaking...its bad financial form to live in an apartment with with a 60K vehicle parked in the lot and outside. Considering, in general, the two largest money expenses for people are living quarters and vehicles...and an apartment and 60K truck are 2 nearly sunk costs for said person. Meaning most likely 40-70% of their income is going towards sunk costs. Which is why I said, in general, if you can't afford to get your vehicle secured then there's a strong chance that you cannot afford the vehicle.

This is BS.
It is unfounded and your strong chance is limited to a very small %. There are plenty of people who choose to or live were it is not possible, or a lifestyle were they travel a lot. Guess what a lot of people dont get to go home every night... also if you think people don't watch prep and learn your dillusional. If they want it they will take it. Out of your garage. With a tracker installed. With a cut off etc...

Snowflake thinking

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