3.0 HPFP -- Recall Addendum Review -- Key points pulled from the addendum

[GladiatorPilot23]

My dealer told me that the first allocation of pumps they received were for the '23s the dealers had on stop sale, so I would say not all 23s had the new pump. I would hazard a guess that only the ones produced after the recall parts were released had the new pump, but that is a guess on my part.

I see thanks for letting me know. I bought my Truck a month ago so it must have the new pump since it would be not be allowed to be sold. When I installed the Derringer, I looked it over the engine bay carefully and I see no work has been done on it so that means mine must have already had the new pump from the factory.

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[kilroy173]

They stuck mine in the glove box but didn't mention anything...might want to check there

Thanks, I saw that mentioned earlier but no paperwork.

 

[Dougstdig]

the paperwork is supposed to be delivered. Check your glovebox.

I’m not sure what I did with it, but I had a shop copy of the repair. It said to place the addendum on the dash.

 

[Zybane]

This sounds like a bunch of legal-ese CYA bull. If you don’t follow these absurd maintenance requirements and have documentation to back it up they can hang you out to dry.

Yup, these are escape clauses. Stellantis wants to be done with the EcoDiesel. Further warranty work on the engine even in warranty period IMO is sketchy.

And LOL at below 20F being "extreme cold".

 

[Dougstdig]

Yup, these are escape clauses. Stellantis wants to be done with the EcoDiesel. Further warranty work on the engine even in warranty period IMO is sketchy.

And LOL at below 20F being "extreme cold".

If you think Stellantis is losing money on this, you might think again. The warranty work is being done and ultimately being paid for by Bosch or their insurer. Bosch has so many revenue streams. They’re probably just writing off the loss and not involving underwriters. It could actually be a godsend to a lot of the dealers as it’s service department revenue coming in when sales are so far down and they’re not getting service work from new vehicles.

 

[Vtur]

Unless Jeep sends me an updated owner's manual and an updated recall letter including the addendum information, i'll uses these against them if something happened.

 

[kickingaz]

Quick opinion poll. Given the addendum and the issues, and not knowing if the fuel pump was the fix or whether I will have metal in the fuel system later and it will be on my dime, I am thinking of trading the diesel Rubicon for a new Mojave.

I can get a new 2023 Punkin Metallic Mojave with leather, hard top, and tow package for my Gladiator (41K miles) and $700. Would you trade or stick it out?

 

[ToJTornottoJT]

If you think Stellantis is losing money on this, you might think again. The warranty work is being done and ultimately being paid for by Bosch or their insurer. Bosch has so many revenue streams. They’re probably just writing off the loss and not involving underwriters. It could actually be a godsend to a lot of the dealers as it’s service department revenue coming in when sales are so far down and they’re not getting service work from new vehicles.

Can you provide a case citation on this? To my knowledge the primary case on the CP4 is Chapman, et al. v. GM LLC, No. 2:19-cv-12333-TGB

based on my understanding the secondary resulting class action is
Hockensmith, et al. v Robert Bosch GmbH, et al., Case No. 6:18-cv-01885

In the first case the end user is suing Chevy for using the pump in the United States. In the second case VM Motori S.p.A, Ford Motor Company, FCA US LLC, F/K/A Chrysler Group, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, N.V., General Motors LLC, Robert Bosch GmbH, Robert Bosch LLC, FCA North America Holdings, LLC, VM North America, Inc., VM Motori S.P.A. and FCA US LLC are all named defendents.

Based on my reading, Bosch is claiming that the pump meets all design specifications, but the individual manufacturers used it inappropriately in the United States. The difference is the type of fuel.

What am I missing? Where are you getting your information from?

 

[Dougstdig]

Can you provide a case citation on this? To my knowledge the primary case on the CP4 is Chapman, et al. v. GM LLC, No. 2:19-cv-12333-TGB

based on my understanding the secondary resulting class action is
Hockensmith, et al. v Robert Bosch GmbH, et al., Case No. 6:18-cv-01885

In the first case the end user is suing Chevy for using the pump in the United States. In the second case VM Motori S.p.A, Ford Motor Company, FCA US LLC, F/K/A Chrysler Group, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, N.V., General Motors LLC, Robert Bosch GmbH, Robert Bosch LLC, FCA North America Holdings, LLC, VM North America, Inc., VM Motori S.P.A. and FCA US LLC are all named defendents.

Based on my reading, Bosch is claiming that the pump meets all design specifications, but the individual manufacturers used it inappropriately in the United States. The difference is the type of fuel.

What am I missing? Where are you getting your information from?

I haven’t gone through the complaints as you apparently have. Since I review complaints, discovery and pleadings all day for work, I typically can’t bring myself to digging into this type of filth on my time away from the desk if you know what I mean.

It was a generalization. …that being said, from your response the fuel is an interesting point. Another would be if FCA required Bosch to make a specific change causing the pumps to fail, which I haven’t heard yet. It would make sense to me the part manufacturer would know the market from which their part would be used and make recommendations. If FCA, rejected these recommendations…I see the issue. Since Bosch is not new to their parts and equipment being used in the United States, I would be shocked if they didn’t know the particulars regarding the diesel fuel here. Additionally, I didn’t think the class action lawsuit had anything to do with the safety recall.

The fuel aspect of it is interesting as well. Back in the early 2000s I had a European diesel, and from what I heard their diesel fuel was superior to what we get here in the states. Now as I remember, that may have only related to the cetane level, which is not specifically related to the parts per million of Sulphur increasing lubricity.

 

[ToJTornottoJT]

I haven’t gone through the complaints as you apparently have. Since I review complaints, discovery and pleadings all day for work, I typically can’t bring myself to digging into this type of filth on my time away from the desk if you know what I mean.

It was a generalization. …that being said, from your response the fuel is an interesting point. Another would be if FCA required Bosch to make a specific change causing the pumps to fail, which I haven’t heard yet. It would make sense to me the part manufacturer would know the market from which their part would be used and make recommendations. If FCA, rejected these recommendations…I see the issue. Since Bosch is not new to their parts and equipment being used in the United States, I would be shocked if they didn’t know the particulars regarding the diesel fuel here. Additionally, I didn’t think the class action lawsuit had anything to do with the safety recall.

The fuel aspect of it is interesting as well. Back in the early 2000s I had a European diesel, and from what I heard their diesel fuel was superior to what we get here in the states. Now as I remember, that may have only related to the cetane level, which is not specifically related to the parts per million of Sulphur increasing lubricity.

Yes, I don't know for sure either, that is why I was asking. Bosch is a co-defendent in the class action case. The last I read, which was a month or two ago, they were involved in dueling expert witnessess and go back and forth with Daubert/Robinson/Frye type motions on both sides. I think it must be hitting all of the car manufacturers hard since they all have abandoned the diesel except GM.

 

[Dougstdig]

Yes, I don't know for sure either, that is why I was asking. Bosch is a co-defendent in the class action case. The last I read, which was a month or two ago, they were involved in dueling expert witnessess and go back and forth with Daubert/Robinson/Frye type motions on both sides. I think it must be hitting all of the car manufacturers hard since they all have abandoned the diesel except GM.

Yeah it’s quite the case, especially if it comes down to 1 company holding the bag.

 

[Madtom]

Quick opinion poll. Given the addendum and the issues, and not knowing if the fuel pump was the fix or whether I will have metal in the fuel system later and it will be on my dime, I am thinking of trading the diesel Rubicon for a new Mojave.

I can get a new 2023 Punkin Metallic Mojave with leather, hard top, and tow package for my Gladiator (41K miles) and $700. Would you trade or stick it out?

Stick it out. (although Punkin is a nice color) the torque available throughout the powerband and the additional 10mpg you get from the diesel on the highway is so much more fun........ plus your still covered under 100k powertrain...too bad they didn't have diesels in the mojave.

 

[CreepyJeepy]

Stick it out. (although Punkin is a nice color) the torque available throughout the powerband and the additional 10mpg you get from the diesel on the highway is so much more fun........ plus your still covered under 100k powertrain...too bad they didn't have diesels in the mojave.

Agreed.
Roll with it and love it...

 

[caryt]

I'm thinking about not going in for the new fuel pump until, the pump fails or I get 99000 miles on it or someone proves whats been done to make this a better pump or until no pump that's been changed doesn't fail by the time I have to get one. From what I have read the recall isn't mandatory?

 

[rchandler341]

I'm thinking about not going in for the new fuel pump until, the pump fails or I get 99000 miles on it or someone proves whats been done to make this a better pump or until no pump that's been changed doesn't fail by the time I have to get one. From what I have read the recall isn't mandatory?

This is what I have read. I too have waited till the changes to the replacement pump were known. I still have not heard but I was finding metal in the top of the pump and in the filter housing. California folks might not have a choice to wait long? They do add a sticker to the emissions sticker under the hood. They could also play with proper maintenance of your vehicle.

CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS The State of California requires the completion of emission recall repairs prior to vehicle registration renewal. Your dealer will provide you with a Vehicle Emission Recall Proof of Correction Form after the Safety Recall service is performed. Be sure to save this form since the California Department of Motor Vehicles may require that you supply it as proof that the Safety Recall has been performed. In order to ensure your full protection under the emissions warranty provisions, it is recommended that you have your (vehicle or engine) serviced as soon as possible. Failure to do so could be determined as lack of proper maintenance of your (vehicle or engine).

https://www.chrysler.com/universal/webselfservice/pdf/Y78.pdf

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