Automatic Transmission fluid change interval s on 2021 JT

[WILDHOBO]

ZF provides excellent guidance for care of the transmission. The problem is they are not the warranty provider, Jeep is. Doing the fluid and filter changes to prolong the life of the transmission runs the risk of voiding the warranty coverage. Each individual needs to weigh the risks, based on their situation, and determine the path they want to go down. For the majority of owners, the Jeep 'lifetime' fluid policy is not an issue that needs attention.

I started to address mine after my Powertrain warranty was gone. But next time I’d say screw it and do it earlier.

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[Maximus Gladius]

It's a ZF designed transmission produced in a Stellantis factory. They say the fluid is a 'lifetime' fill. Why would they spend the money to include a drain plug for the fluid that they say doesn't need changed?

Because they lied and some have bought into it and signed on to go along.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

Anyone else recognize the irony of posting a video recommending a flush, by the one person who had a transmission fail after a flush that had warranty coverage denied?

So Bill, after actually having some time to reread, several times what you said and rewatching that video 2 more times, you posted a bullshit post which suckered two others to give you a “thumbs up” liking to it, which if the two of them carefully watched that video, they will agree with me and if they recalled my tragic first transmission implosion, the two of them should have commented either on open forum or in private that you were out of line, but because I don’t see evidence of that, I have to.

Firstly, you had to throw the “irony” crap in my face to discredit me. It offered nothing positive to the discussion.

Secondly, the mechanic shop owner never once “recommended” a flush. He chose to do so based on information he doesn’t give his audience and personally, I don’t care how he gets his job done. The only time I heard in that video the word “recommended” was discussing what the manufacturer recommends.

Thirdly, the next point in your statement is technically true, yes, my transmission imploded but you left out that it wasn’t immediately after, it was 8k kms after I had my flush done. Also, you failed to represent ME and the sequence of events properly to others. Because you were privy to it all, you willingly left out important details to discredit me and fool the readers.

According to my oil analysis done 8k kms EARLIER (pre-flush) showed my transmission was coming apart by the excessive amount of wear metals evident in the oil that suggested TO EVERYONE including the other two that liked what you had to say. Non of you three especially @ShadowsPapa offered me any mechanical guidance into what actually happens to a transmission when glycol contamination is found in there and the pump was already whining. You would also recall before I was first experiencing the whine on my first transmission, it was I that was prompting doing oil analyses and explaining its valves to the forum. This was mostly foreign to everyone so when I dropped my oil analysis report here (prior to doing ANYTHING) the lab showed highlighted problems in the transmission (IRON 768ppm/copper 600ppm). Numbers are shockingly evident transmission had its days numbered. The one that should have known didn’t say anything for all his mechanical awards and transmission work over decades. It wasn’t until the flush was done and the transmission continued to come apart and implode that some months after that did I find, on my own, no thanks to you three, the Allison Transmission had an internal report they published explaining what glycol does to the clutch plates and that if there’s even a trace of glycol in the oil, the entire transmission has to be overhauled, simply draining the fluid or flushing it doesn’t remove glycol contamination.

Forth point you errored in is that warranty was not denied because I did a flush, it was for using AMSOIL. You also failed to recognize that the dealership wanted $3400 from me to “get the glycol out” because Chrysler wouldn’t deem the transmission broken. So I read my book, it instructed me to “change the oil if contaminated with water, etc and off to the shop I went to have it flushed.

Nobody here, including you didn’t carefully consider what or by what means “change the oil” meant. Is it a pan drop, is it 2 or 3 or maybe a flush??? I even went to FCA customer care to interpret that instruction and they wouldn’t. I even went to the GM of the dealership I bought my truck and asked him to read it with me and provide clarification. He told me to my face, “I haven’t read the book and I’m not about to start, there’s the door, get the hell out”.

5th point is your “irony” twist you use against me like I had my transmission implode because of it and I’m now promoting someone recommending doing flushes because I really “believe” flushing procedure will implode every other transmission on the road.

Why @ShadowsPapa didn’t step in here and call you moron is beyond me. How many time have we all read him swooping in on someone trashing the 3.6 because of cam failure on their engine and saying all 3.6’s are crap and he will comment that 1% of engines have this problem which means millions on the road don’t have this problem. ???

Why do you thing that I believe because mine failed 8k kms later after my flush that I think anyone that does it will have the same result. I think you’re an FCA insider here to stir up shit. You offered me nothing positive when I was experiencing trouble but had no problem posting I would fail in my efforts.

Now that that’s off my chest, I forgive you and I don’t need to ever revisit this with you.

 

[Mr._Bill]

So Bill, after actually having some time to reread, several times what you said and rewatching that video 2 more times, you posted a bullshit post which suckered two others to give you a “thumbs up” liking to it, which if the two of them carefully watched that video, they will agree with me and if they recalled my tragic first transmission implosion, the two of them should have commented either on open forum or in private that you were out of line, but because I don’t see evidence of that, I have to.

Firstly, you had to throw the “irony” crap in my face to discredit me. It offered nothing positive to the discussion.

Secondly, the mechanic shop owner never once “recommended” a flush. He chose to do so based on information he doesn’t give his audience and personally, I don’t care how he gets his job done. The only time I heard in that video the word “recommended” was discussing what the manufacturer recommends.

Thirdly, the next point in your statement is technically true, yes, my transmission imploded but you left out that it wasn’t immediately after, it was 8k kms after I had my flush done. Also, you failed to represent ME and the sequence of events properly to others. Because you were privy to it all, you willingly left out important details to discredit me and fool the readers.

According to my oil analysis done 8k kms EARLIER (pre-flush) showed my transmission was coming apart by the excessive amount of wear metals evident in the oil that suggested TO EVERYONE including the other two that liked what you had to say. Non of you three especially @ShadowsPapa offered me any mechanical guidance into what actually happens to a transmission when glycol contamination is found in there and the pump was already whining. You would also recall before I was first experiencing the whine on my first transmission, it was I that was prompting doing oil analyses and explaining its valves to the forum. This was mostly foreign to everyone so when I dropped my oil analysis report here (prior to doing ANYTHING) the lab showed highlighted problems in the transmission (IRON 768ppm/copper 600ppm). Numbers are shockingly evident transmission had its days numbered. The one that should have known didn’t say anything for all his mechanical awards and transmission work over decades. It wasn’t until the flush was done and the transmission continued to come apart and implode that some months after that did I find, on my own, no thanks to you three, the Allison Transmission had an internal report they published explaining what glycol does to the clutch plates and that if there’s even a trace of glycol in the oil, the entire transmission has to be overhauled, simply draining the fluid or flushing it doesn’t remove glycol contamination.

Forth point you errored in is that warranty was not denied because I did a flush, it was for using AMSOIL. You also failed to recognize that the dealership wanted $3400 from me to “get the glycol out” because Chrysler wouldn’t deem the transmission broken. So I read my book, it instructed me to “change the oil if contaminated with water, etc and off to the shop I went to have it flushed.

Nobody here, including you didn’t carefully consider what or by what means “change the oil” meant. Is it a pan drop, is it 2 or 3 or maybe a flush??? I even went to FCA customer care to interpret that instruction and they wouldn’t. I even went to the GM of the dealership I bought my truck and asked him to read it with me and provide clarification. He told me to my face, “I haven’t read the book and I’m not about to start, there’s the door, get the hell out”.

5th point is your “irony” twist you use against me like I had my transmission implode because of it and I’m now promoting someone recommending doing flushes because I really “believe” flushing procedure will implode every other transmission on the road.

Why @ShadowsPapa didn’t step in here and call you moron is beyond me. How many time have we all read him swooping in on someone trashing the 3.6 because of cam failure on their engine and saying all 3.6’s are crap and he will comment that 1% of engines have this problem which means millions on the road don’t have this problem. ???

Why do you thing that I believe because mine failed 8k kms later after my flush that I think anyone that does it will have the same result. I think you’re an FCA insider here to stir up shit. You offered me nothing positive when I was experiencing trouble but had no problem posting I would fail in my efforts.

Now that that’s off my chest, I forgive you and I don’t need to ever revisit this with you.

You seem to be quite bent out of shape over an attempt at levity. The irony is you posting a video of someone who is supposedly recommending a flush when I thought you learned that is not a good idea.

I didn't watch the video. My remark was based on the comment from another poster that the guy in the video recommends flushing the transmission.

I remember your whole transmission saga. You let the shop do a flush, filled it with Amsoil, and a few thousand miles later it failed. Unless you told the dealer about it, the flush was not part of the warranty denial, although it was likely a contributing factor. There's no real need to rehash the whole thing again.

Edit: My takeaway from your ordeal was to not mess with the transmission while it's under warranty. If it fails, it's Jeeps problem to fix.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

You seem to be quite bent out of shape over an attempt at levity. The irony is you posting a video of someone who is supposedly recommending a flush when I thought you learned that is not a good idea.

I didn't watch the video. My remark was based on the comment from another poster that the guy in the video recommends flushing the transmission.

I remember your whole transmission saga. You let the shop do a flush, filled it with Amsoil, and a few thousand miles later it failed. Unless you told the dealer about it, the flush was not part of the warranty denial, although it was likely a contributing factor. There's no real need to rehash the whole thing again.

Edit: My takeaway from your ordeal was to not mess with the transmission while it's under warranty. If it fails, it's Jeeps problem to fix.

Then don’t make a false statement about the guy in the video you didn’t watch, don’t bother to even take away any of the good points he had to say and I didn’t “learn” flushing was a bad idea, it didn’t destroy my transmission and yes, the dealership knew in advance I was getting the flush done because they wouldn’t do it but would do 2 pan drops at $3400 to me and my book told me to change the oil if it was contaminated. So I didn’t “mess with it”, I did what was a responsible thing to do. I’ve never had to deal with glycol contamination and no one here was stepping up to plate to explain its characteristics so for me to choose to “do nothing” was to be intentionally careless and what does the book say about that?

 

[Mr._Bill]

Then don’t make a false statement about the guy in the video you didn’t watch, don’t bother to even take away any of the good points he had to say and I didn’t “learn” flushing was a bad idea, it didn’t destroy my transmission and yes, the dealership knew in advance I was getting the flush done because they wouldn’t do it but would do 2 pan drops at $3400 to me and my book told me to change the oil if it was contaminated. So I didn’t “mess with it”, I did what was a responsible thing to do. I’ve never had to deal with glycol contamination and no one here was stepping up to plate to explain its characteristics so for me to choose to “do nothing” was to be intentionally careless and what does the book say about that?

Do you need me to ship some Valium?

My owners manual basically says to leave the transmission alone. We went over this extensively during your ordeal. What you determined to be intentionally careless is the manufacturers recommended course of action.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

Do you need me to ship some Valium?

My owners manual basically says to leave the transmission alone. We went over this extensively during your ordeal. What you determined to be intentionally careless is the manufacturers recommended course of action.

Stop posting misleading comments and I’ll stop being upset and calling you on it. You feel like handing out Valium, start with @ShadowsPapa who gets more bent out of shape with most everyone and has no problem or shame in delivering, he just forgot to straighten you out.

If we extensively went over my ordeal, you didn’t pay attention and you are assuming the flush played a part. You have no proof. My book also doesn’t “basically” say do nothing. It actually mandates my action to change the oil. How that looks, pan drops or flush, it leaves it up to interpretation so the responsible thing was to bring it in, which I did, I asked FCA and asked the GM to interpret. How are we, as simple vehicle owners supposed to make the correct choice if interpretation isn’t given and left up to us? God forbid we ever mention what we do here.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Do you need me to ship some Valium?

My owners manual basically says to leave the transmission alone. We went over this extensively during your ordeal. What you determined to be intentionally careless is the manufacturers recommended course of action.

Not ever changing the fluid IS careless. Ignoring fluid changes because of lifetime fluid that isn’t backed by a lifetime warranty is moronic.

 

[g2020]

Not ever changing the fluid IS careless. Ignoring fluid changes because of lifetime fluid that isn’t backed by a lifetime warranty is moronic.

The next time I hear "lifetime fluid" at the dealer, I will ask them to show me the warranty, with lifetime automatic transmission damage & failure coverage, in writing.

This is hyperbole.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The next time I hear "lifetime fluid" at the dealer, I will ask them to show me the warranty, with lifetime automatic transmission damage & failure coverage, in writing.

This is hyperbole.

Weird how the dealer sold me fluid that isn’t even necessary. I thought they’d tackle me and say No!!! Don’t do it!!!! Don’t you know that’s lifetime fluid?!!!!

 

[JTGuy]

The blood inside me is also a lifetime fluid.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Not ever changing the fluid IS careless. Ignoring fluid changes because of lifetime fluid that isn’t backed by a lifetime warranty is moronic.

I have never advocated to never change the fluid. To change a fluid, that the manufacturer says doesn't need changed, is reckless while it is under warranty. Jeep provides the warranty for the transmission. The official stance is that it is a lifetime fill and doesn't need changed, under normal operating conditions.

I was contemplating changing mine at 60k miles, based on the recommendation of the transmission designer. It never became an issue because I traded it at 57k miles for a new one.

Each person needs to weigh their options, considering all the factors, and decide which path to go down. I find it disheartening at how many people get so upset when others don't accept their line of thinking.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I have never advocated to never change the fluid. To change a fluid, that the manufacturer says doesn't need changed, is reckless while it is under warranty. Jeep provides the warranty for the transmission. The official stance is that it is a lifetime fill and doesn't need changed, under normal operating conditions.

I was contemplating changing mine at 60k miles, based on the recommendation of the transmission designer. It never became an issue because I traded it at 57k miles for a new one.

Each person needs to weigh their options, considering all the factors, and decide which path to go down. I find it disheartening at how many people get so upset when others don't accept their line of thinking.

It’s no more risk than changing your own oil. Which I’ve done for every single oil change since it left the dealership. No one but me had even touched the lug nuts. Should we just trust the 17 year olds changing the oil and rotating tires with impact wrenches? I say it’s irresponsible to let dealers touch these things.

 

[Blade1668]

My 05 Wrangler Unlimited has the "lifetime fluid" it's been changed at least 3 times if not a few more. Manual 6 speed, first change was before end of warranty now at 256000 miles second clutch. In my shed I've got 4-6 gallons of ATF for my Gladiator transmission.... I've been procrastinating it since I'll have to drop skid plates, I will be changing T-case fluid too. About due to change gear oil in axles again in 10 different axles in 5 Jeeps.
Damn, I'm remembering why I bought oils and ATF, gear oil by the case when I lived in GA. again.

 

[Mr._Bill]

It’s no more risk than changing your own oil. Which I’ve done for every single oil change since it left the dealership. No one but me had even touched the lug nuts. Should we just trust the 17 year olds changing the oil and rotating tires with impact wrenches? I say it’s irresponsible to let dealers touch these things.

That's not a like comparison. The motor oil is supposed to be changed. There is an easily accessible fill spout, filter, stick to check the level, and a minimum required maintenance schedule. The easily accessible fill spout and stick to check the level were removed from the transmission. The minimum required maintenance schedule was changed to none.

I understand your point about the quality of labor at many dealerships. Luckily, that has not been an issue with the dealer I use.

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