Bronco is fullsize - no comparison

[Wheelin98TJ]

That's why I say on paper, I really only bring it up because Jeep never advertises the 77:1, they only advertise the manuals on paper 84:1. Like I said, there's really not going to be much difference offroad. I either idle across a river in 1st or for almost everything else I use 3rd. There's not much shifting or clutching involved, just skinny pedal.

I figured you know this because of your careful choice of words.

Just wanted to clarify for those who don't.

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[hjdca]

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Only time I've missed my third petal in this truck is towing and long downhills.

Wheeling with a manual is also a different experience. With the manual, you pick your gear, then, you pick your line, then, you go. The wheels never stop going forward, and this momentum, no matter how slow, becomes your best friend and helps you roll like a tank over obstacles. There is no stopping, rolling backwards, checking the line again, starting again, etc... ... You see many people with automatics stopping in the middle of an obstacle, then, when they start again, the tires slip.

When watching those videos on you tube, you can always tell when the manual jeep if going over the obstacles -- the front tires are always moving, even if just a little bit in granny gear.

 

[Jt-wrx]

Well didn’t expect this to spin as far off into the ditch as manual vs auto but since we are let’s not forget the manual in winter driving conditions. Being able to gear down in 4wd can’t be touched with the auto. You can get close with paddle shifters and that useful or a sport shift console shifter on the automatics. My ram 1500 had tiny plus minus buttons on the steering wheel that were all but useless in a panic icy situation though. That sort of control in slippery conditions just using clutch or when cruise control kicks down one gear too many on and uphill curve climb...advantage manual again.

Another manual advantage of having all four appendages engaged including your brain is almost a safety feature on its own as you’re more engaged period. Plus the intangible of pure joy that manuals give over the way too easy and nap inducing autos.

Yup the autos have come along way and you’d be hard pressed to find a better combo than a pentastar 8-spd...better in many measurements now and it’s clear the majority prefers the nap inducing luxury as that’s human nature but I contest the world would be a far safer place if autos didn’t exist...let’s not go down this road much further, there are plenty of positive arguments for both.

I’ve had plenty of both, I live in Canada and outdoorsmen oriented, I’ll take the manual every chance I can. The closer I can remain in control of, and understanding that I’m, piloting 2.5 tons of deadly road missile the safer we will all be.

 

[LostWoods]

Wheeling with a manual is also a different experience. With the manual, you pick your gear, then, you pick your line, then, you go. The wheels never stop going forward, and this momentum, no matter how slow, becomes your best friend and helps you roll like a tank over obstacles. There is no stopping, rolling backwards, checking the line again, starting again, etc... ... You see many people with automatics stopping in the middle of an obstacle, then, when they start again, the tires slip.

When watching those videos on you tube, you can always tell when the manual jeep if going over the obstacles -- the front tires are always moving, even if just a little bit in granny gear.

Well I took the question as objective factors but yeah the experience and technique is totally different and dare I say, requires a greater level of skill beyond manipulating the clutch.

Well didn’t expect this to spin as far off into the ditch as manual vs auto but since we are let’s not forget the manual in winter driving conditions. Being able to gear down in 4wd can’t be touched with the auto. You can get close with paddle shifters and that useful or a sport shift console shifter on the automatics. My ram 1500 had tiny plus minus buttons on the steering wheel that were all but useless in a panic icy situation though. That sort of control in slippery conditions just using clutch or when cruise control kicks down one gear too many on and uphill curve climb...advantage manual again.

Another manual advantage of having all four appendages engaged including your brain is almost a safety feature on its own as you’re more engaged period. Plus the intangible of pure joy that manuals give over the way too easy and nap inducing autos.

Yup the autos have come along way and you’d be hard pressed to find a better combo than a pentastar 8-spd...better in many measurements now and it’s clear the majority prefers the nap inducing luxury as that’s human nature but I contest the world would be a far safer place if autos didn’t exist...let’s not go down this road much further, there are plenty of positive arguments for both.

I’ve had plenty of both, I live in Canada and outdoorsmen oriented, I’ll take the manual every chance I can. The closer I can remain in control of, and understanding that I’m, piloting 2.5 tons of deadly road missile the safer we will all be.

More things to focus on is not the same as more engaged and I'll take an automatic over a manual any day of the week in winter conditions. Not having to slip the clutch to modulate takeoff is a huge advantage when I can just flick it into 2nd in the AT. Not to mention the AT's fluid coupling provides plenty of shock absorption so you have a lot more leeway in throttle control.

And before someone chimes in with some BS about skill and experience, save it. Everything is under control until it's not and an AT is objectively better in almost every way at this point. The only reason to drive a stick is your personal preference for the experience.

 

[sharpsicle]

And before someone chimes in with some BS about skill and experience, save it. Everything is under control until it's not and an AT is objectively better in almost every way at this point. The only reason to drive a stick is your personal preference for the experience.

This is so true these days. Especially considering how far automatics have come over the last two decades and the integration of Tiptronic-style shift controls and traction control continually evolving.

If OP is having trouble with an automatic JT or JL in winter conditions or with cruise control on, there may be a persistent error occurring between the seat and the wheel.

 

[Jt-wrx]

The op was talking about auto's in winter, not auto's in Jeeps in winter lol. Some companies can program things better than others in this regard. The pentastar 8-spd is as well set up as you can get. It sucked in the ram I had as the tiny gear shift buttons on the steering wheel useless for gearing down in winter. The tundra I had before was great as it had a hand shift with sport mode, couple quick taps and it was intuitive gearing down etc. Almost as good as a manual lol. Don't get me started about GM's ability to tune a transmission to a gas pedal etc. FCA and Toyota do a millions times better job. Again, off in the weeds, try to discredit the messenger to discredit the message tactics lol. I loved my 2014 ram pentastar 8-spd and would still be driving it if a lady didn't run a light and rip the nose off it. So going to a pentastar 6-speed manual was easy choice, getting the jeep even better. I wish I could get that transmission in the ram too. Will always choose a manual but I need a truck above all else, and I can't stand the sit on the floor tacoma so it wasn't possible to go to the taco. My ability to drive anything in winter isn't an issue, just talking about differences as some try to slam one vs the other, it's a moot discussion. I'm not wrong on the safety comments. The world would be a safer place if nap inducing auto's didn't exist. Lotsa folks out there with licenses shouldn't have them, most of them would have been weeded out by the manual, or, they would have learned to drive better and be safer more engaged drivers. Adapt or don't play right?

I say if Ford didn't offer a manual with their fluffy new pretender they would have zero chance at having an FJ like following...it will be about that size though. Jeep will be the dominant following by 10 fold. If Ford could have done solid front axle and kept it smaller...they would have had a chance at building the following that would take many years, and the aftermarket to build with it etc. They will become an FJ at best. You'll see in 10 years or so I'll be right. Domestic about the only variable that may get them a little above an FJ status or following (brand loyalists possibly).

 

[Rahkmalla]

OP: "Bronco is fullsize, no comparison"

Also OP: Spends 16 pages comparing them

Also OP: Posts this BS in a JT forum where his biggest complaint is the bronco is too large compared to the wrangler in a forum dedicated to LARGE WHEELBASE WRANGLERS

@Jt-wrx ... dude just stop. You're not nearly as smart as you seem to think you are.

 

[Jt-wrx]

OP has been simply saying same thing every time, it doesn't compare to Jeep, history will show. It's too big and doesn't have solid front axle. People have been arguing otherwise lol, they are wrong. History will show you but other evidence already there as there are already vehicles like the puff piece ford put out to show exactly how they failed...that is if their goal was to actually take on Jeep? If they were just after some cash for some sales they will do fine and plenty of people will be happy with their puffy ford, look at raptors, they don't get much puffier than that and they are as common as honda civics where I live. They simply will not compete against the jeep, they will never attain the status, the aftermarket, the reputation etc...because they missed a couple big ingredients that I pointed out. Argue till you're blue in the face...the bronco will never get even close to the following, status, credibility, longevity of the Jeeps, it will be a great street poser piece though, lots of those on the market. They succeed for some dollars they fail at trying to out Jeep the Jeep. I don't choose losing arguments, remember this 10 years from now when the bronco is about as popular as an FJ in the worlds where it's 10 jeeps to 1 of anything else(street doesn't count ). They swung, they missed.

 

[sharpsicle]

I don't choose losing arguments

 

[Rahkmalla]

OP has been simply saying same thing every time, it doesn't compare to Jeep, history will show. It's too big and doesn't have solid front axle. People have been arguing otherwise lol, they are wrong. History will show you but other evidence already there as there are already vehicles like the puff piece ford put out to show exactly how they failed...that is if their goal was to actually take on Jeep? If they were just after some cash for some sales they will do fine and plenty of people will be happy with their puffy ford, look at raptors, they don't get much puffier than that and they are as common as honda civics where I live. They simply will not compete against the jeep, they will never attain the status, the aftermarket, the reputation etc...because they missed a couple big ingredients that I pointed out. Argue till you're blue in the face...the bronco will never get even close to the following, status, credibility, longevity of the Jeeps, it will be a great street poser piece though, lots of those on the market. They succeed for some dollars they fail at trying to out Jeep the Jeep. I don't choose losing arguments, remember this 10 years from now when the bronco is about as popular as an FJ in the worlds where it's 10 jeeps to 1 of anything else(street doesn't count ). They swung, they missed.

For the VAST majority of wrangler buyers, the solid front axle is NOT a positive. What percentage of wrangler buyers are hardcore rock crawlers? What percentage of buyers NEVER go offroad? Willing to bet the "never offroaders" outnumber the hardcore rock crawlers 25:1

As for being too big, 2.5 inches in nominal width, and the 4dr 6G is shorter than the JLU. Also the JLU outsells the JL something like 15:1 at least. Hell the JT outsells the JL and the JT is much longer than the JLU.

Using phrase like "history will show" are just false prognosticating bullshit. Also i love the "everyone who disagrees with me is wrong" mentality. Really shows your range and ability to apply critical thought.

Not sure how Raptors (a 60k truck) being as common as civics (a 20k sedan) is a bad thing in Ford's eyes... or anyone's. that's a fucking achievement that you completely ignore because you have a massive failure of ability to critically analyze anything that doesn't agree with the "facts" as you see them.

What you fail to recognize about wranglers and "street poser pieces" is MOST wranglers ARE street poser pieces. Like, the overwhelming majority.

As for you not choosing losing arguments... are you under the impression other people think they do? That's literally the dumbest sentence that's i've ever seen written down. "I make sure i think i'm correct before I argue something" is the most meaningless crap ever written. OF COURSE YOU THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THINKING YOU'RE RIGHT IS NOT WHAT MAKES YOU RIGHT.

Stop getting high on your own supply.

 

[bleda2002]

Oof if you read the latest review from motor trend they basically eviscerated the bronco. Not much better on road (not surprised new jls are excellent once they sorted the steering box) much worse off road (still goes everywhere but has to work way harder) and just kind of missed a lot of details trying to reinvent the wheel (frameless doors, mirrors etc).

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...ion-jeep-wrangler-4xe-comparison-test-review/

Ending quote kind of sums it up for them: "Bottom line is, the trucks cost about the same with similar options. For that money, you get a Bronco that's better in the desert but not as good on more common trails and is barely any nicer to drive on the road. Or you get a Jeep that'll go anywhere off-road, just slower in the desert, and doesn't have as much space or fancy tech."

 

[lrtexasman]

I posted nearly the same experience as the Motortrend article after my test drives. I did not have any wander or dead steering in the Bronco I drove, however it was on 32"s. I will never lift or go bigger than 33"s on any vehicle I own. I definitely feel like one is not better than the other and that buyers should buy the one that is more applicable to their intended use. No doubt if I was going to off-road, I'd choose the JT/Wrangler every time. However, as my off-roading is more off-trail (beach/national park roads) and I do really long highway drives getting places the Bronco (Black Diamond - toned down off-roader) makes more sense.

 

[ThatStinging_Jeep]

Parked kitty-corner to one the other day, it's really long, almost as long as my JT.

Just like JT and JL/JLUR, they look dumb with stock street tires on them

They look good in Sasquatch trim, but they are big

I will say it does look pretty big man,I saw one with the sasquatch package and the thing was long and wide,I would say it was just as a long a gladiator but it's close,didn't get to see it for long since I just looked at it for 5 secs. Since I was at work

 

[PDiddy]

I will say it does look pretty big man,I saw one with the sasquatch package and the thing was long and wide,I would say it was just as a long a gladiator but it's close,didn't get to see it for long since I just looked at it for 5 secs. Since I was at work

I have a Bronco parked next to my gladiator. It’s no where near as long as a Gladiator. The 4 door Bronco’s wheelbase is actually shorter than the Wrangler’s.

 

[sbach66]

OP: "Bronco is fullsize, no comparison"

Also OP: Spends 16 pages comparing them

Also OP: Posts this BS in a JT forum where his biggest complaint is the bronco is too large compared to the wrangler in a forum dedicated to LARGE WHEELBASE WRANGLERS

@Jt-wrx ... dude just stop. You're not nearly as smart as you seem to think you are.

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