Death Wobble Advice and help

[MarkN]

The dealership that installed and retorqued my lift suggested a new steering stabilizer too. I didn’t want them to install the same crap, so I did some research and got a lot of good reviews on the Falcon. It has three settings for off road, city, and highway driving. I love the way it handles now. I used to have a lot of play in the steering wheel.

Mark

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[Lunentucker]

Stabilizers do NOT fix death wobble.
They hide it.
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...-wobble-shimmy-wander-drift-bump-steer.68302/

 

[Phljeeper]

Agreed. Anyone who thinks they “fixed” death wobble with a steering stabilizer will have it return. This is simply hiding the real issue. I can make mine go away too by tightening up my adjustable Fox stabilizer. But that isn’t the answer unfortunately. I have something else going on.

Stabilizers do NOT fix death wobble.
They hide it.
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...-wobble-shimmy-wander-drift-bump-steer.68302/

 

[PeterGriffin]

My defective/leaking/broken/otherwise non-functioning steering stabilizer is EXACTLY what caused my death wobble...sorry to burst y'all's bubble but in MY particular cause it was the cause and the solution was a new one. Thought it was pretty clear from the content of my response but y'all go ahead with your "clever" memes/etc. ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The dealership that installed and retorqued my lift suggested a new steering stabilizer too. I didn’t want them to install the same crap, so I did some research and got a lot of good reviews on the Falcon. It has three settings for off road, city, and highway driving. I love the way it handles now. I used to have a lot of play in the steering wheel.

Mark

It didn't remove any play in your steering wheel - you simply now feel the resistance when you turn the wheel that the tires should be imparting. So you've only hidden the play that is still there. You didn't fix any play (or anything)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My defective/leaking/broken/otherwise non-functioning steering stabilizer is EXACTLY what caused my death wobble...sorry to burst y'all's bubble but in MY particular cause it was the cause and the solution was a new one. Thought it was pretty clear from the content of my response but y'all go ahead with your "clever" memes/etc. ?

No, it hid it from you. They are not a "fix". Sorry to burst your bubble but we've looked behind the curtain and we happen to follow suspension engineers, Jeep experts and the man who helped design these suspension systems, not non-mechanics, non-technical people.
Maybe I need to repost the expert info again (for the 100th time?)
What's clear is that you bought into the "you need a good stabilizer" hype.
These can actually go with NO stabilizer if the rest is good.

Sorry, I'll take Norm Layton's words of wisdom and expertise over internet Jeep expert.
Look him up - bet you don't know who he is.
Then there's Suspension engineer Bob Sheaves, who basically says the same and worked for MOPAR and other companies, including a major truck company.

(not to mention my college training and experience with steering and suspension)

 

[Lunentucker]

My defective/leaking/broken/otherwise non-functioning steering stabilizer is EXACTLY what caused my death wobble...sorry to burst y'all's bubble but in MY particular cause it was the cause and the solution was a new one. Thought it was pretty clear from the content of my response but y'all go ahead with your "clever" memes/etc. ?

No. Your death wobble overheated and overworked the stabilizer to the point that it could no longer effectively manage the problem.

 

[3213JT]

Fortunately I don’t have DW on my Glady, 3 years and 36000 miles. I did have issues on my JKRU but I changed the shocks and stabilzer and fixed my issues. My question here is as I prepare to replace my factory Stabilizer (which has worked fine) w/ a Fox, looking at these 2 pictures I found on install videos, which is correct or which is wrong? ?. Forgive me if this isn’t exactly on topic but I thought it was loosly related.

 

[Camaroboi13]

My defective/leaking/broken/otherwise non-functioning steering stabilizer is EXACTLY what caused my death wobble...sorry to burst y'all's bubble but in MY particular cause it was the cause and the solution was a new one. Thought it was pretty clear from the content of my response but y'all go ahead with your "clever" memes/etc. ?

That’s funny, I can drive around with NO steering stabilizer and no death wobble for me. Hope you get your problem fixed soon before it costs you another stabilizer! ??

 

[JTenn]

Fortunately I don’t have DW on my Glady, 3 years and 36000 miles. I did have issues on my JKRU but I changed the shocks and stabilzer and fixed my issues. My question here is as I prepare to replace my factory Stabilizer (which has worked fine) w/ a Fox, looking at these 2 pictures I found on install videos, which is correct or which is wrong? ?. Forgive me if this isn’t exactly on topic but I thought it was loosly related.

Doesn't matter. I have 2 JT's with the same fox stabilizer and they're both installed different from one another. Just like the pics. No difference whatsoever. If you must decide though, install it so the text reads normally. ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you must decide though, install it so the text reads normally.

Yeah, no use spending the money and then not showing off whatcha got.

I sure hope they are better than the crappy Fox shocks Jeep puts on the Rubicon models, though. Man, bouncy, weak, I didn't even bother putting them back on my 2022 when I took them off the 2020 to trade it for the 2022. They are still sitting in a box.
Ironically, I think I may have a leaking stock shock on the 22 now, though. Something looks wet and it's been a long time since we've had any rain and the rest of the undercarriage is spotless, dry, not a hint of even seepage, let alone a leak.

 

[MarkN]

It didn't remove any play in your steering wheel - you simply now feel the resistance when you turn the wheel that the tires should be imparting. So you've only hidden the play that is still there. You didn't fix any play (or anything)

So Shadows, what exactly is the cause of DW and what is the fix? Obviously there is something wrong. Vehicles should not act this way. There has to be something specific causing it and something to do to fix it.

Mark

 

[Lunentucker]

So Shadows, what exactly is the cause of DW and what is the fix? Obviously there is something wrong. Vehicles should not act this way. There has to be something specific causing it and something to do to fix it.

Mark

There are numerous potential causes.
I posted a thread link earlier.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Apparently all the resident know it all's have it handled, so I'll bow my head, and walk backwards from whence I came, so as not to make eye contact...

I'm no Jeep expert, never claimed to be, and rock throwing with "I bet you don't know who so and so is" is just childish...I bet you don't know my local off road mechanic is either, but he's been building machines of every configuration imaginable for almost 3 decades, for folks that wheel in some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet outside of a mall parking lot (like Sedona, Flagstaff, Glamis, Buttercup, Kofa, etc.) but what would he know, right?

Did you actually watch the video you posted? He said that steering stabilizers don't cause death wobble...well no sh!t Sherlock and in case anyone missed it (which apparently they did) I didn't say that either, I said my BUSTED steering stabilizer (which can happen when you actually take your Jeep off road and strike a rock/etc.) was the cause of my issue which was immediately rectified by replacing it, NEVER to happen again in over another 10K+ miles, the vast majority of which were off road. Not so coincidentally I removed my steering stabilizer as it was clearly dented/damaged/leaking prior to taking it to the shop and...wait for it...no more death wobble; but I still wanted it replaced and everything checked while he had it...

It's AMAZING that everyone knows what death wobble is...but doesn't exactly know how to fix it...but MAN do they know how not to...and anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

...and anyone with "boi" in their username? Well enough said!

 

[Lunentucker]

And now that I've fully exposed my lack of knowledge, I'll assert my superior intellect upon them.

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