Decided to supercharge over a swappina to a Hemi

[ChrisNLA]

Got this message from RIPP this morning:


Hi Don, Thank you for your order! We don't spend much time on forums anymore but, yeah there's still a community of people that use them. Some good information for sure but with any social media you get a lot of noise as well. We honestly don't have the man power to span the forums and talk shop with everyone. Were a team of 6 people, 3 are part time, so all our time is spent in R&D, tuning, cutting welding, powdercoating, sales, assembly, shipping, tech support etc... we simply don't have the energy to participate on socials as much as we would like (it's embarrassing, but that's the truth). But what we do best if making a great supercharger kit and high performance upgrades for MOPAR vehicels. We have assembled and shipped close to 20,000! 3.6l superchargers since 2012. Nothing beats the feeling of a rig, with a massive 42" tire, flying down the road effortlessly! a little bit of boost to tow our boats and toy haulers up the long Appalachain hills, reliably! But like anything else you'll see some skeptics on-line, it's unavoidable this day in age. But I'm confident nothing on this kit will fail, and if by any chance it does, we will replace it as quick as possible. We don't let anything warranty related sit, any customer that had any type of supercharger related problem (and it's rare) will tell you replacement part will be in there hands next day. Most skeptics (haters) have little to no experience with their vehicles or with upgrades such as a superchargers, upgraded engines, huge tires and axles etc..But we live this life, and most people just talk about it. Your going to have a good result, probably 100hp increase (were not building a race car after all, the 3.6 dodge chargers and challengers we can push to 460hp lol)

One thing that’s absolutely critical after upgrading your Jeep and this is extremely important is understanding a known limitation in the engine’s oiling and valvetrain system. (I’m not sure if we previously discussed this?), but much like the 5.7L and 6.4L Hemi engines, the 3.6L also has an inherent valvetrain weak point. The V8 “lifter issues” are well known, 3.6 has the same thing, They believe it's a camshaft hardness issue / rocker lifter issue. Either way to help avoid these problems, we strongly recommend upgrading your engine oil to 5W-40 and performing oil changes every 3,000–3,500 miles. The factory-recommended 0W-20 is not formulated for heavy duty or high stress use it’s mainly specified to reduce emissions and improve MPG for EPA ratings, not to provide maximum protection under load. Stop the use of 0w20, and upgrade to 5w40 to protect your engine.

So the manufacturer said what you would expect them to say when they are going to make eight thousand dollars off a sell.

Kidding.

I think it will be fine under normal use. I don't think there kit will have any issues at all. They don't even make the supercharger head unit. It's a Vortech unit, and they are reliable as anything. If anything shits the bed, it will be the engine, or something caused by an installation error.

Based on their comment about the Chargers and Challengers, they are already considering the additional stress that the weight and aero of a Jeep provides, and are likely tuning back / conservatively for it.

Look forward to boosty noises in January.

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[JeepOfTheseus]

As far as a SC goes in Calif. few are CARB approved. To SC the 3.6 Penta with its high compression ratio could be a mess. Getting the computer to play nice with it also. It's about a $12K install here and could take out the engine.

There's only one as far as I know: Magnuson, and even that's only for 2020. For whatever reason, it didn't just carry over to 21 (just my luck).

 

[JeepOfTheseus]

Have you thought about buying a spare PCM and sending it out, keeping your original as a backup?

It's what I did. I like the idea of having a completely stock one, and one dedicated for flashing.

 

[Flyin6]

Have you thought about buying a spare PCM and sending it out, keeping your original as a backup?

That's a good idea, but at this point I am in pretty deep and pushing up against the mamma log jam if you understand what I'm sayin'

How/where could I do that?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So the manufacturer said what you would expect them to say when they are going to make eight thousand dollars off a sell.

Kidding.

I think it will be fine under normal use. I don't think there kit will have any issues at all. They don't even make the supercharger head unit. It's a Vortech unit, and they are reliable as anything. If anything shits the bed, it will be the engine, or something caused by an installation error.

Based on their comment about the Chargers and Challengers, they are already considering the additional stress that the weight and aero of a Jeep provides, and are likely tuning back / conservatively for it.

Look forward to boosty noises in January.

Even if they do/did, it's a change for the better.
The issues I've observed (just in passing, I watch a lot of things of interest and for learning), it appears that the larger issues end up being with tunes.

I really wish I had chatted more with some of the Charger and so on guys at the car shows over recent years - a number of them were "sent out" for custom work, including TC and tune. There they were for all to see, and I should have asked more questions.
Instead, in one case, I talked to the guy about his cat!

 

[SingGladiator]

I went ProCharger and LOVE it!

 

[ChrisNLA]

Even if they do/did, it's a change for the better.
The issues I've observed (just in passing, I watch a lot of things of interest and for learning), it appears that the larger issues end up being with tunes.

I really wish I had chatted more with some of the Charger and so on guys at the car shows over recent years - a number of them were "sent out" for custom work, including TC and tune. There they were for all to see, and I should have asked more questions.
Instead, in one case, I talked to the guy about his cat!

Hah. Thats a pretty cool cat.

Yea, the tune is everything. Bolting on stuff is the easy part. Having someone tune it correctly to not end up with scrap metal is the important piece.

 

[Zachanadandy]

It's funny how everyone says the 11.3-1 compression ratio is too high for boost running 6-8 psi peak. Meanwhile the Mazda 6 2.5t is 13-1 compression and runs up to 20 psi from the turbo stock and guys are turning them up to 26psi and they hold together. The 3.6L needs all of 6k+ rpm just to make the power you could make at 3500rpm with 5 pounds of boost. What's better for the engine, a small amount of boost or turning 6k+ rpm on the regular? Obviously a complex question with too many variables to really say for sure, but I'd take my chances with the boost and driving more moderately.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Maybe with his success and learning on this, if I still have mine once out of warranty..............it might make a trip to Kantuk

 

[Flyin6]

Maybe with his success and learning on this, if I still have mine once out of warranty..............it might make a trip to Kantuk

Come on down!

 

[Stan H]

I went ProCharger and LOVE it!

I imagine your not smashing it to the floor all the time either.

 

[Stan H]

Come on down!

Is Ripp doing the install?

 

[SingGladiator]

I imagine your not smashing it to the floor all the time either.

Nope. Still realize I’m driving a Lego with a bed!

 

[Stan H]

Nope. Still realize I’m driving a Lego with a bed!

I like the fact it's a Lego and I can make it into what I want.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I like the fact it's a Lego and I can make it into what I want.

Yeah, the Toyota people drive toasters - at least that's what they call their rigs when talking drag and so on

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